Smoking age to be raised each year, every year

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  • Smoking age should rise from 18, by one year every year - Rishi Sunak
    Measure aims to ensure children of today would not be able to buy cigarettes in future.
    www.bbc.co.uk

    In a indirect way to ban smoking forever, the age of smoking will be raised by one year every year until it's gone into oblivion, but is this the best way to go about it?

    I do think everything should be done to prevent kids from smoking and it's proven that most smokers started smoking when they were young, but when smoking becomes illegal at 19, how do shops identify the age of the buyer?

    This seems totally unworkable to me without ID cards.

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    In a indirect way to ban smoking forever, the age of smoking will be raised by one year every year until it's gone into oblivion, but is this the best way to go about it?

    I do think everything should be done to prevent kids from smoking and it's proven that most smokers started smoking when they were young, but when smoking becomes illegal at 19, how do shops identify the age of the buyer?

    This seems totally unworkable to me without ID cards.

    It's hardly Tory ethos to ban people doing something for their supposed own good is it? And as you say it has clear issues about workability.

    Can't see him getting it through the Commons without Labour support and that might trigger a leadership challenge.

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  • I can't see Labour going against this, imagine the tory posters of Starmer with kids smoking 4 or 5 fags at a time.

    Political dynamite especially where kids are concerned.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Most of us grew up in an era where smoking was the norm.

    Watching an attractive woman smoke was considered sexy.

    Look at alot of our old movies, but as I grew up it started to be frowned upon.

    COPD was said to have been a miners disease, in truth its anything that can effect lung function.

    The operation I recently had for an enlarged Anuerysm is smoking related as well as cholesterol, it causes a hardening of the arteries.

    There was a favourite saying of youth, I was no different is that "I want to make and learn from my own mistakes not YOURS".

    But, we are talking about their long term health with no magic undo button and I have reached a point where I believe its right to intervene.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Obesity in the young is also a huge problem that the NHS will have to deal with it is already costing billions per year

    True, but does that exceed the tax they are paying on the ciggies? I’d love to see the figures!

  • Ironically a Google question states that smoking generates £10bn pa in tax revenue yet only costs the NHS £2.5 bn in treatment.

    Clearly if the costs were paid direct to the nhs, then the government is still well up in revenue. When all is said and done I still agree with the proposal.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • I wonder how much vaping is generating for the government's coffers???

    Vaping is basically replacing smoking among the young, but it's no less dangerous.

  • It was an absurd decision to allow these to be sold on the open market, but now that it is, it will be almost impossible to reverse it. What a stupid decision that was. So they put in place measures to encourage smokers to consume a less dangerous product only to encourage non smokers including children to consume a product that will do them harm.

  • I used to be a smoker and initially switched to vape.

    Most of the time it's about doing something with your hands I'm sure.

    Regardless, I initially used nicotine in the vape juice and very quickly went nicotine free.

    So is it the vape or the nicotine that is the problem because you can have one without the other.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • I used to be a smoker and initially switched to vape.

    Most of the time it's about doing something with your hands I'm sure.

    Regardless, I initially used nicotine in the vape juice and very quickly went nicotine free.

    So is it the vape or the nicotine that is the problem because you can have one without the other.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • I used to be a smoker and initially switched to vape.

    Most of the time it's about doing something with your hands I'm sure.

    Regardless, I initially used nicotine in the vape juice and very quickly went nicotine free.

    So is it the vape or the nicotine that is the problem because you can have one without the other.

    I used to smoke a lot but long before vapes were invented. As you say there are non nicotine vapes and I wonder what I would have done had they been around in the 70s and 80s. I wonder more about what I would have become had neither cigarettes or vapes been available as the former were a massive prop at a time in my life when I was very introverted and not a little depressed (I was 17). The problem of course is like many others, I became addicted to nicotine and long after I no longer needed them I was still smoking.

    You suggest it's about something to do with your hands but IMHO it's more complex than that. You can sit alone on a park bench smoking a cigarette (or I guess a vape) and you feel and look like someone enjoying the moment, you just sit on a park bench and you feel and look like a bit like a loser. And over 40 years since my last cigarette I still chew toothpicks as some sort of substitute.

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  • Steve

    As you are aware I had recent surgery, the anyerysms are in part smoking related, if you ever get the opportunity get checked for them.

    Most men never know until its too late.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Steve

    As you are aware I had recent surgery, the anyerysms are in part smoking related, if you ever get the opportunity get checked for them.

    Most men never know until its too late.

    Seconded and yes thanks I have been checked. Any man who turns 65 should make sure their local surgery gets them that free and very quick NHS check. Somewhat strangely it does not offer them to women and yet I know more women than men that died of aortic aneurisms.

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  • I had an aortic scan last year which was clear. I gave up the evil weed 35odd years ago. Best thing I ever did. IMO the long term effects of vaping are unknown but there are already instances of people in hospital with scorched lungs.

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  • I believe a couple years ago the USA had several cases of what was termed popcorn lung.

    That iirc was down to some chemical once used in vape juice.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • It will be easy to enforce in the same way alcohol, knives, glue, fireworks etc is enforced but it's extra work for those on the tills to deal with who currently have to ask for ID for certain items. Do I think it's a good idea to ban...no, I'm not a fan of banning things as it will just encourage black market sales and incriminating folk. Vaping is where it is at for the kids these days. Nicotine is not the problem and it's no more addictive than caffeine. The Egyptians used to take nicotine as a stimulant in the same way we drink coffee. It's all the other additives that are used to contain the nicotine that is the problem and cause of health issues. Note that 100% pure nicotine is a controlled substance though and can only be sold to specialists in scientific research etc as it is highly toxic and a single drop on the skin can kill someone. Perfect for assassins. Even if you mix you own vape juice you can't buy 100% pure nicotine. IIRC the max you can legally buy is 80%. The popcorn lung thing comes from some of the flavourings (additives) used. As for the rest you have Vegetable glycerine (VG) which is used in food products and Propylene Glycol (PG) which is used in things like cough syrups. You then add you nicotine and flavourings.

    I have been a smoker most of my life. I did move onto the vapes starting with higher doses of nicotine and weaning myself off but the habit was still there and I found myself sucking on the vape more than I smoked cigarettes as it was always in my hand and never burnt out. I went from the pre packaged juice to then making my own and sub-ohming and dripping (pouring juice straight onto the coil rather than store in the vape) with big clouds of vape which is more akin to smoking a cigar instead of a cigarette and it's more fun with the clouds. Makes a good air freshener if you have a nice scent :P I started to get a feeling in my lungs that it wasn't doing much good in a similar way to as cigarettes can clog your lungs and make you mucusy. I also had a tingling feeling in the lungs that didn't feel right.

    During lock down I ended up going back on the rollies as I was fed up with the expense of vaping and the hassle of making my own juice and equipment including charger to lug about. Vaping is not as cheap as folk make out. You have batteries that need replacing regularly. You have the juice which is not cheap if you buy pre made over the counter stuff and then you have the coils and the wick. It all adds up and works out not that much cheaper than smoking 50 grams of rolling tobacco a week. We now have small disposable packaged vapes which contain a slightly different form of nicotine IIRC in a more crystallised form called nicotine salts (come from the US) and this is a highly addictive different form of nicotine. These are the over the counter disposable devices you can buy in petrol stations etc and see littered around that they are now trying to ban.

    It's the habit that one needs to break. Having something in your hand and sucking on it. Plus it's so nice to have a smoke after eating, a bit like having an after dinner mint helping with digestion. Smoking is also good for lowering stress levels and then there's the social aspect of it. My job encourages me to smoke more with all the stress otherwise I think I would turn to alcohol. Oh...and a cup of coffee and a cigarette in the morning is good for kick starting the bowels. :D Nobody ever talks about the positives of smoking. Give everyone a peace pipe and some weed and we would have world peace :) Joking aside one of the best things we could all do is smoke pure weed which is just about possible now due to vaping and there is no smell. We have now given all the kids a way to get away with it in public but that a slightly different vape device that has to preheat before taking a lug and there is no vapour. It's like smoking air. I reckon it could be used for crack and other substances too but I have not tried that.

  • The proposal to raise the age for purchasing cigarettes and one assumes all tobacco products will play havoc with the cannabis smoking community. As tobacco is used in combination with cannabis to roll a spliff it will soon become impossible to get the necessary ingredients unless your local neighbourhood drug dealer will supply everything obviously at inflated rates.

    I say let stupid people be stupid. If people want to smoke and drink themselves to death let them.

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