IS ISRAEL ATTACKS AND RETALIATION JUSTIFIED & THE WIDER REGION

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  • It may have seemed like the west was sitting on its hands, but Blinken has been tirelessly fighting for this with some very difficult

    The west was never truly in the right place or had the ear of the people in the middle east.

    We need to accept that the people of this region have a different set of values, morals and a culture vastly different from ours so that the mediation, negotiation and deliberations needed to come from within.

    Within meaning he wider region.

    It's ironic that Qatar a nation the hosted the last world cup has been vilified for its own human rights violations. We simply cannot accept they don't live by the same standards as us. That sentence is not intended as a rebuke, who are we to say they should bow to our will. Homosexuality is outlawed there, that abhorrent to most in the west, but it one example of the west unable and unwilling to respect others have not got the same outlook as us.

    Protesters here, protest about things in another part of the world, in areas we have no control. Their action are being described as intimidating, harassment and often bordering on violent, WHY? because these people have views different to there's. At least over there such actions are dealt with via a good hammering of the perpetrators.

    OB is right,Blinken has tried hard, but the USA is seen as much as part of the problem and not the solution. Now it seems (jury still out) that what has truly been needed was a Muslim country to step up to the plate. If Qatar can be that stabiliser,imho good luck to them.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • Israel's Defence Force releases footage of huge 'Hamas tunnel'
    The military, who have been carrying out an operation at the medical complex over the last week, said it had found a 55-metre-long underground passage 10…
    www.dailymail.co.uk

    Israel has said it's now shown the world the first part of a tunnel network under Gaza's main hospital, but I'm not convinced, yet. We do not see a continuos video stream of a camera going down a shaft and then along a tunnel, it cuts out a few times, but it's clear there is a tunnel somewhere which has a reinforced door at the end of it. Israel fears the door is booby-trapped, as it leads to the Hamas command centre and they haven't tackled it yet.

    However, what is more convincing is captured CCTV footage showing what looks like hostages being taken into the hospital and unfortunately, it looks like some of the doctors were helping the terrorists.

    Israel is destroying Gaza and the reason, they say, why Gaza is being destroyed is because Hamas facilities are located under hospitals, schools and other civilian buildings. But Israel has still to prove this.

    Once UN/Red Cross people can confirm these tunnels and that they do pass under hospitals, then the "heat" should come off Israel, at least from the West. However, if they cannot prove this, then I imagine some kind of sanctions may be imposed on Israel in the future.

  • Whatever they find, the Jew-haters will continue their campaign against Israel.

    I must admit, I thought just a few years ago that anti-Semitism was at a very low level in this country, and I was genuinely surprised by the attitude of Corbyn and his followers. I don’t know how I missed that, but frankly, I’m appalled.

    I thought all of that had ended with the Second World War. Silly me!

  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…-documents.html

    Israel has said it's now shown the world the first part of a tunnel network under Gaza's main hospital, but I'm not convinced, yet. We do not see a continuos video stream of a camera going down a shaft and then along a tunnel, it cuts out a few times, but it's clear there is a tunnel somewhere which has a reinforced door at the end of it. Israel fears the door is booby-trapped, as it leads to the Hamas command centre and they haven't tackled it yet.

    However, what is more convincing is captured CCTV footage showing what looks like hostages being taken into the hospital and unfortunately, it looks like some of the doctors were helping the terrorists.

    Israel is destroying Gaza and the reason, they say, why Gaza is being destroyed is because Hamas facilities are located under hospitals, schools and other civilian buildings. But Israel has still to prove this.

    Once UN/Red Cross people can confirm these tunnels and that they do pass under hospitals, then the "heat" should come off Israel, at least from the West. However, if they cannot prove this, then I imagine some kind of sanctions may be imposed on Israel in the future.

    I don't think the Israelis are daft enough to tell a lie to the world that can be checked later and proved to be a lie, IMHO there is no doubt that Hamas have tunnelled under lots of buildings blocks of flats hospitals etc and even under the wall into Israel.

    IMHO, they have used the inhabitants of Gaza as human shields ever since they took over control of Gaza

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…-documents.html

    Israel has said it's now shown the world the first part of a tunnel network under Gaza's main hospital, but I'm not convinced, yet. We do not see a continuos video stream of a camera going down a shaft and then along a tunnel, it cuts out a few times, but it's clear there is a tunnel somewhere which has a reinforced door at the end of it. Israel fears the door is booby-trapped, as it leads to the Hamas command centre and they haven't tackled it yet.

    However, what is more convincing is captured CCTV footage showing what looks like hostages being taken into the hospital and unfortunately, it looks like some of the doctors were helping the terrorists.

    Israel is destroying Gaza and the reason, they say, why Gaza is being destroyed is because Hamas facilities are located under hospitals, schools and other civilian buildings. But Israel has still to prove this.

    Once UN/Red Cross people can confirm these tunnels and that they do pass under hospitals, then the "heat" should come off Israel, at least from the West. However, if they cannot prove this, then I imagine some kind of sanctions may be imposed on Israel in the future.

  • Whatever they find, the Jew-haters will continue their campaign against Israel.

    I must admit, I thought just a few years ago that anti-Semitism was at a very low level in this country, and I was genuinely surprised by the attitude of Corbyn and his followers. I don’t know how I missed that, but frankly, I’m appalled.

    I thought all of that had ended with the Second World War. Silly me!

    The Jew haters are not just a far left phenomenon.

    There has always been a strong anti semitic element on the far right

    The BNP used to distribute a magazine called Holocaust news

  • The last time I looked the BNP Muppets only had just over 12,000 members hardly a force to be reckoned with , even the Liberals had more Party Members than them

    The Jews were even forced out of the UK , it was only stopped after Oliver Cromwell came to power, if you look on Wiki there is a time line of all the Expulsions going back many many years.

    In WW2 the Fascist Mosley marched on London's East End with his black shirt thugs which had a large population of Jews who had settled there to escape persecution in Russia and Eastern Europe, the Jews and East Enders gave them a good hiding .

  • The west has lost its ability to stand against globalists and the establishment they have set up, fuelled by fake guilt and equality mania that has seen the west fall from grace, make an idiot of itself and put its own people in jeopardy. The west as it now stands, needs a kick up the arse. I am repelled at the way people have been taught to turn on their own kind and support those who are favourites of the global elites.

    Every now and then, a brave soul steps up to the plate. They are usually shot down, ridiculed, libelled or simply threatened out of existence by armies of social media bullies and smelly little trolls with personality disorders.

    If the west doesn't get its act together soon and tell the gaggle of super rich controllers to take a hike the west, as such, is going to make itself history. It will go down ignominiously in the annals of human civilization as a failure by mental retardation, greed, booze, drugs and Hakuna Matata that turned it from spectacular to pathetic. It will die with a whimper as it is invaded and ransacked by anyone with a sad face and a sob story.

    Dissidents are presently being arrested and threatened with imprisonment for inane crimes against political correctness and petty jumped up legislation and our literature and art is being driven to virtual annihilation by a gang of rewriters and censors. The novel 1984 is coming to pass and no one seems to mind. In fact, the establishment is pushing its investment and brainwashing generations of young people to hate themselves, their elders, their heritage and their very biological reality, as they mope about in green hair and carnival outfits whining about their apparently harsh lot. When they aren't sticking their arses to the roads in a ridiculous hatred of the very things that make their world so easy and so advanced.

    Complete mumbo jumbo, but if you are insinuating the west is bad and the east good, I don't think you could be any more wrong. However, if you insinuating capitalism is bad and communism is good, you are also wrong. If' it's neither of those two things, I haven't got a clue what your thread was about

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • Bibbles

    I think she is advocating that the west is no pillar of purity. The west is itself guilty of lots of misdemeanours, notably war crimes of our own. After all it was us that created Israel, of course we had backing, but it doesn't change it.

    In bygone day we imposed our will on others, now we fight against those doing the very same thing. By gosh there were even convents abusing young girls, taking away their babies etc in Ireland until late in the 20th century.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • Bibbles

    I think she is advocating that the west is no pillar of purity. The west is itself guilty of lots of misdemeanours, notably war crimes of our own. After all it was us that created Israel, of course we had backing, but it doesn't change it.

    In bygone day we imposed our will on others, now we fight against those doing the very same thing. By gosh there were even convents abusing young girls, taking away their babies etc in Ireland until late in the 20th century.

    It happened here in the UK as well , kids packed off to Australia .

    No nation can look back on its history and see all sweetness and light


    This happened in a village near where my wife was born and went to a school nearby

    https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d8f0d0893490e72fJmltdHM9MTcwMDQzODQwMCZpZ3VpZD0yMzFlMjQyYS1jZTY2LTZlN2MtMTE1MC0zNmU0Y2ZkZDZmYjYmaW5zaWQ9NTE5OQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=231e242a-ce66-6e7c-1150-36e4cfdd6fb6&psq=christian+brothers+letterfrack&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudHVhbWJhYmllcy5vcmcvbmV3cy9zY2hvb2wtb2YtaG9ycm9yczE0Ny1tdXJkZXJlZC1jaGlsZHJlbi1pbi1sZXR0ZXJmcmFjaw&ntb=1

  • Bibbles

    I think she is advocating that the west is no pillar of purity. The west is itself guilty of lots of misdemeanours, notably war crimes of our own. After all it was us that created Israel, of course we had backing, but it doesn't change it.

    In bygone day we imposed our will on others, now we fight against those doing the very same thing. By gosh there were even convents abusing young girls, taking away their babies etc in Ireland until late in the 20th century.

    But would you rather live in the East or the West, and how many people from the West to the East in comparison to those moving from the East to the West?

    On another note, it may have been us that helped the Jews move to Israel, but may I remind you it was their homeland thousands of years before Mohamad was even a twinkle in his dad's eye!

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…-documents.html

    Israel has said it's now shown the world the first part of a tunnel network under Gaza's main hospital, but I'm not convinced, yet. We do not see a continuos video stream of a camera going down a shaft and then along a tunnel, it cuts out a few times, but it's clear there is a tunnel somewhere which has a reinforced door at the end of it. Israel fears the door is booby-trapped, as it leads to the Hamas command centre and they haven't tackled it yet.

    However, what is more convincing is captured CCTV footage showing what looks like hostages being taken into the hospital and unfortunately, it looks like some of the doctors were helping the terrorists.

    Israel is destroying Gaza and the reason, they say, why Gaza is being destroyed is because Hamas facilities are located under hospitals, schools and other civilian buildings. But Israel has still to prove this.

    Once UN/Red Cross people can confirm these tunnels and that they do pass under hospitals, then the "heat" should come off Israel, at least from the West. However, if they cannot prove this, then I imagine some kind of sanctions may be imposed on Israel in the future.

    IMHO

    The man in the white shirt is holding what to me looks like an Uzi Machine Pistol

    PS

    After checking again it appears to be a folding AK47

  • Complete mumbo jumbo, but if you are insinuating the west is bad and the east good, I don't think you could be any more wrong. However, if you insinuating capitalism is bad and communism is good, you are also wrong. If' it's neither of those two things, I haven't got a clue what your thread was about

    You just don't want to address anything I said and people like you, with whom the internet abounds, like to put people like me down in order to promote your own views. I stopped bothering to reply to people like you a while ago and I should never have replied to them. But you live and learn.

  • But would you rather live in the East or the West, and how many people from the West to the East in comparison to those moving from the East to the West?

    On another note, it may have been us that helped the Jews move to Israel, but may I remind you it was their homeland thousands of years before Mohamad was even a twinkle in his dad's eye!

    Mate, please read my post at the top of the page. Had i lived in the east from birth it would be all i know, likewise those in other parts of the world.

    My point was as the first line, we've been no pillars of purity. We dont like outside interference in our affairs even to this day, Rwanda is a prime example, but we put ourselves forward as pillars of democracy and western values, as my aforementioned post states western values means nothing to middle Eastern Arab states, we should respect that they are different. That's not me batting for Hamas, I want them eradicated. But by OUR standards the death toll amongst palestinians is quite high.

    Yes, the jews were there centuries ago, but the Ottoman era, the Egyptians even the Germans have all been there since. We once had an empire, wars were fought to protect it, but its gone as was anything long, long, long ago resembling a Hebrew state.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • The west has lost its ability to stand against globalists and the establishment they have set up, fuelled by fake guilt and equality mania that has seen the west fall from grace, make an idiot of itself and put its own people in jeopardy. The west as it now stands, needs a kick up the arse. I am repelled at the way people have been taught to turn on their own kind and support those who are favourites of the global elites.

    Every now and then, a brave soul steps up to the plate. They are usually shot down, ridiculed, libelled or simply threatened out of existence by armies of social media bullies and smelly little trolls with personality disorders.

    If the west doesn't get its act together soon and tell the gaggle of super rich controllers to take a hike the west, as such, is going to make itself history. It will go down ignominiously in the annals of human civilization as a failure by mental retardation, greed, booze, drugs and Hakuna Matata that turned it from spectacular to pathetic. It will die with a whimper as it is invaded and ransacked by anyone with a sad face and a sob story.

    Dissidents are presently being arrested and threatened with imprisonment for inane crimes against political correctness and petty jumped up legislation and our literature and art is being driven to virtual annihilation by a gang of rewriters and censors. The novel 1984 is coming to pass and no one seems to mind. In fact, the establishment is pushing its investment and brainwashing generations of young people to hate themselves, their elders, their heritage and their very biological reality, as they mope about in green hair and carnival outfits whining about their apparently harsh lot. When they aren't sticking their arses to the roads in a ridiculous hatred of the very things that make their world so easy and so advanced.

    I share a lot of those concerns, Little Wing. We should all be aware of this creeping dark shadow that appears to be closer than ever.

  • On a day when the Chancellors autumn statement takes centre stage news from Gaza reduced down the rankings. However for the first time in real time the news is looking promising.

    Israel Gaza live news: Hamas says pause in fighting to begin at 10am on Thursday - BBC News
    Israel has confirmed a four-day pause in fighting and the release of hostages but not when this will begin.
    www.bbc.co.uk

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

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