IS ISRAEL ATTACKS AND RETALIATION JUSTIFIED & THE WIDER REGION

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  • Just attend a court trial - you will see the whole content of the computers belonging to the defendant and crucial witnesses all revealed before your eyes.

    That's because it's a criminal offence not to disclose your password to police investigating a crime. And then if they don't, that most people use 8 or fewer character passwords that are easily cracked using OPHCRACK. Takes about 20 minutes for an 8 character one.

  • That's because it's a criminal offence not to disclose your password to police investigating a crime. And then if they don't, that most people use 8 or fewer character passwords that are easily cracked using OPHCRACK. Takes about 20 minutes for an 8 character one.

    That is not my point, it is irrelevant whether an offence is committed - my point is that ANYONE with the know-how can access any part of a computer. As do Police experts.

    kets say the police expert is sacked; He is not as loyal as once thought. He will still possess the knowledge and wherewithal to access every part of a computer.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • For the benefit of the Forum Members refusing to give Police passwords of your electronic devices mobile phone computers in the UK is not an offence , if you are being investigated and they seize your electronic devices and you refuse to tell them your passwords, the Police have to apply for a Court Order to then access them

  • For the benefit of the Forum Members refusing to give Police passwords of your electronic devices mobile phone computers in the UK is not an offence , if you are being investigated and they seize your electronic devices and you refuse to tell them your passwords, the Police have to apply for a Court Order to then access them

    If you are involved in a crime and you are in the Dock in a courtroom all your belongings are searched. Computers and Smartphones are a major source of information, if not a literal footstep, diary/history, of events.

    Many times I have seen a witness, in court, portrayed as some angel only for the prosecuting Barrister to show their Facebook pages from 2 or more years back where they are nasty violent people. If nothing else all the Barrister wants to do is show them as LIARS - unreliable witnesses.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • If you are involved in a crime and you are in the Dock in a courtroom all your belongings are searched. Computers and Smartphones are a major source of information, if not a literal footstep, diary/history, of events.

    Many times I have seen a witness, in court, portrayed as some angel only for the prosecuting Barrister to show their Facebook pages from 2 or more years back where they are nasty violent people. If nothing else all the Barrister wants to do is show them as LIARS - unreliable witnesses.

    That is something completely different.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • That is something completely different.

    Please explain why?

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • That is not my point, it is irrelevant whether an offence is committed - my point is that ANYONE with the know-how can access any part of a computer. As do Police experts.

    kets say the police expert is sacked; He is not as loyal as once thought. He will still possess the knowledge and wherewithal to access every part of a computer.

    Nope, some of us have used PCs with very hard encryption of all the hard disc on them. We had clear instructions that the pass phrase should only be disclosed if demanded to by a senior official or officer. Was always 'interesting' taking it in and out of the USA but I never got challenged and always secure shredded all data files before leaving the USA. We also were forbidden to take said laptops into certain countries that you might otherwise think of as being allies.

    It's worth looking at PGP. Buy a copy in the USA and it has back doors in it to allow the FBI or NSA to decrypt contents virtually instantly. Buy a copy in the UK and it has no such back doors however if you take said copy into the USA (and some other countries) you can go to jail most certainly without passing GO and no throw a double route to get out.

  • You are free to comment on your experiences but I have sat in court trials and seen expert police specialists - with the right to explore any part of anything to do with a person's computer when connected with a criminal offence. This is a basic judicial process, a known concept in law/trials.

    You can not question what I have witnessed many times.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • You are free to comment on your experiences but I have sat in court trials and seen expert police specialists - with the right to explore any part of anything to do with a person's computer when connected with a criminal offence. This is a basic judicial process, a known concept in law/trials.

    You can not question what I have witnessed many times.

    But look back and you'll see I was challenging your experience of SOME cases as some supposed rule for ALL cases. It's not, never was and never will be.

    Most people including most criminals are very naive about computer security. For example you see it in trial after trial where someone's google search history is (rightly) used as evidence.

  • But look back and you'll see I was challenging your experience of SOME cases as some supposed rule for ALL cases. It's not, never was and never will be.

    Most people including most criminals are very naive about computer security. For example you see it in trial after trial where someone's google search history is (rightly) used as evidence.

    You miss the point, with respect, my whole point has to do with EXPERTS having access, and the ability.

    Just like the guy locked up in Leicester Prison Secure Unit. He worked for Chubb Locks - he escaped from the Unit and then from the prison. He was employed as a law-abiding citizen with Chubb. He had the knowledge, intelligence, and guts used to aid an escape.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • yes but you asserted that experts have the ability to crack ANY and ALL encryption - they don't which is why the law has instead required that passwords are disclosed to investigators.

  • I don't think you will find that I asserted anything to do with encryption.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • Apart from in post 1664

    Anyway the point at hand is Israel has apparently found interesting material on Hamas computers. There's an inference their Oct 7th attack was in part motivated by trying to drive a wedge into recent rapprochement between Hamas ally Turkey and Israel. IE Hamas knew Israel would react in a way that would horrify many forcing Turkey to move back towards Hamas.

  • I ask that you consider posting my comment on encryption. Thank you very much.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • Please explain why?

    Your statement does not show that passwords were given over or that information was obtained, needed or required. Each offence will be treat differently.

    Regarding access being a right of law enforcement I side with Fred on that one, if you refuse passwords they will need to get a court order, but I'm quite happy to be shown to be wrong.

    Both sets of briefs will attempt to discredit the others witnesses. If your in the dock all your belongings are searched, only what you wear or carry, any further searching of homes etc are done on an as needed basis.

    Mobile phones became the centre of a storm following a couple of rape accused being acquitted after it was shown texts etc that things weren't as portrayed. If any such evidence were to cast doubt on a person's guilt they will invariably be acquitted.

    In an earlier discussion we had on policing you brought up several times P.A.C.E, well PACE governs how police conduct searches both before and after arrest. I accept that in the many years now since retired from the police computers and mobile phones have developed at an alarming pace and I am not up to date on current legislation.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Exactly. An example case is that of Muhammad Rabbani who was convicted for refusing to hand over passwords

    AFAIK they never found out what was on that computer, they should have jailed him only to be released when he did reveal it

  • I think this will prove interesting. The South Africans (a bunch of almost communists) are bringing the accusations of Genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the response to the Oct 7th Atrocity committed by Hamas the ruling party of Gaza. Personally I think this is not going to fly as the allegation is too big. Maybe looking at individual Geneva Convention Article breaches would be more fruitful but Genocide - no way.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-genocide-case-against-israel-top-un-court-2024-01-08/

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  • Your statement does not show that passwords were given over or that information was obtained, needed or required. Each offence will be treat differently.

    Regarding access being a right of law enforcement I side with Fred on that one, if you refuse passwords they will need to get a court order, but I'm quite happy to be shown to be wrong.

    Both sets of briefs will attempt to discredit the others witnesses. If your in the dock all your belongings are searched, only what you wear or carry, any further searching of homes etc are done on an as needed basis.

    Mobile phones became the centre of a storm following a couple of rape accused being acquitted after it was shown texts etc that things weren't as portrayed. If any such evidence were to cast doubt on a person's guilt they will invariably be acquitted.

    In an earlier discussion we had on policing you brought up several times P.A.C.E, well PACE governs how police conduct searches both before and after arrest. I accept that in the many years now since retired from the police computers and mobile phones have developed at an alarming pace and I am not up to date on current legislation.

    It is a trial - a criminal trial in the Crown Court. The police can access anything. So - if they get a court order - that IS accessing it. I am not discussing barriers I am discussing the fact that ALL Computers, Smartphones are accessible, every single part of them. All the info in them. Accessed by smart people - lawfully. My point is that NOT only scammers can do it but any smart person - in this context Expertly trained Police or co-opted experts for the police or courts.

    I have seen it many times in Crown Court. You must have seen it.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • I think this will prove interesting. The South Africans (a bunch of almost communists) are bringing the accusations of Genocide committed by Israel against Palestinians in the response to the Oct 7th Atrocity committed by Hamas the ruling party of Gaza. Personally I think this is not going to fly as the allegation is too big. Maybe looking at individual Geneva Convention Article breaches would be more fruitful but Genocide - no way.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-e…urt-2024-01-08/

    What's really interesting is that as posted earlier, the Israelis have said they'll fight the case in court. Dumb arrogance and they will come out of this with few friends and many more thinking they are a pariah state.

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