THE POLICY SYNPOSIUM

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    Our beloved media šŸ¤­ like to play mystic Meg, putting ideas out there regardless of there authenticity, so why can't we.

    A thread to discuss past, present or maybe a policy suggestion of your own. Let's praise them, rubbish them, discuss them or God forbid influence them šŸ¤£.


    So I will start us off my rubbishing our policy on Humanitarian pause vs Ceasefire in Gaza.

    2 says ago both Labour and the SNP tabled ammendments to the Kings speech and the government's response to the crisis Israel has in Gaza.


    Labour applied the Humanitarian pause route in support of the Government policy, this culminating in a vote in the HoC which I have heard said anyone could vote for it was so wishy washy. Condemnation of Hamas attack, seeking an end to the violence etc etc, but achieved by the Humanitarian pauses for aid influx but support for Israel just like the Government but different wording.


    The SNP headed by a man whose in-laws were trapped for a period in Gaza wanted a ceasefire. This has some support across the house with members of Starmers front bench resigning so they could support the ammendment.


    This all culminated in what I saw as a ridiculous, pointless and selfish ego vote for want of a better description.

    Imo it is not the job of the HoC to dictate government of the day policy,they may not like it, may not support it but imho W.G.A.F as they aren't the government.


    Secondly, although I understand its just playing politics, it's a vote that has no bearing, no influence, no point and if anything a complete waste of parliamentary time discussing issues that have SFA to do with us.


    But my gripe on this doesn't stop there,it was reported that one Labour front bencher (name eludes me) resigned and voted with the SNP because 12% of his constituency is Muslim. Wow, that means he has potentially disregarded the opinions of 88% of his constituents in favour of the few.


    All of this to ask for an ammendment to a King's speech on the policy and plans for the next year for his Government.

    To have a policy questioned or changed by people in a party not even in government to me seems ridiculous. They have the right to dislike it, voice concerns over it but ammend it?

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then f**k off before the Police get there. :saint:

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    As far as the conflict is Gaza is concerned I think itā€™s fine to call for ceasefires etc but the reality is that even if our government agreed it has zero influence in the region.

    The government priority should be making sure this division dose not spread to this country.

    Peace marches are fine ( though rather pointless) but spreading ant Semitic propaganda is not

    One caveat criticism of the Isreali government is not in itself ant Semitic.

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    The point of getting influential world governments like the UK and USA to vote on ceasefires/pauses is to put pressure on Israel to do so.

    If nations you consider friends propose something it sends the message that it is time to consider the innocent caught up in the fighting.

    The country that needs dealing with is Iran, they finance the likes of Hamas to further their hatred of the Israelis.

    Ever since the Shah was toppled in 1979 and came under the control of the Ayatollahs it has been a nation embedded in the Dark Ages using its deity, Allah, to spew hatred and destruction on the world.

    If Israel really wants to send the proverbial middle finger to the Iranians it should try to sort some sort of deal so the Palestinians can have a homeland. With everything settled Hamas and the Iranians lose a reason to attack them.

    I know it won't be easy but look how long it took to sort Northern Ireland out.

    There are many nations that need to try getting along with their neighbours instead of fighting with them, nations that need to stop dictators from massaging their egos and their need for power.

    I think you know who I mean.

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    Whilst I agree with virtually all you have said Stew 65, the Israelis will not try and come to any agreement with Hamas they are like Rabid Dogs they have been brought up hating Jews and Infidels same as ISIS they kill fellow Muslims that do not agree with them, Hezbollah and people such as the deceased Bin Laden, they want a Muslim World, their first step is control of the land and no Jews


    Israel will destroy Hamas to the last man, then and only then can they start to talk with the moderate Palestinians who have been held under the cosh by Hamas who they have used as Human Shields for years.


    Get rid of Hamas then peace may have a chance, and keep Iran bottled up , IMO the Iranians will deal with their Mad Mullahs at some time in the future

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    But while trying to 'destroy' Hamas they are killing innocents.

    By all means get rid of Hamas but killing the innocent will just make their families sympathise with Hamas and end up continuing the conflict as they jump on board the hate jews, jews are bad, bandwagon.

    Silencing Hamas needs to be done by cutting their funding and resources, the Iranians being their benefactor.

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    Quote from Stew 65

    But while trying to 'destroy' Hamas they are killing innocents.

    By all means get rid of Hamas but killing the innocent will just make their families sympathise with Hamas and end up continuing the conflict as they jump on board the hate jews, jews are bad, bandwagon.

    Silencing Hamas needs to be done by cutting their funding and resources, the Iranians being their benefactor.

    I think most people know that , not good but unavoidable that is what Hamas want there is no way the Israelis can avoid it , this killing year in year out has to end if Hamas is not stopped they will keep attacking Israel they are that evil

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    But what was the point of that vote in the HoC. That Humanitarian pause idea is government policy,the HoC is NOT the government so who has the right that what its policies are should be changed. The Kings speech tells what the policy if the GOVERNMENT is not the HoC or MP's.

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then f**k off before the Police get there. :saint:

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    The Kings speech is written by the Government of the day the Monarch of the day simply reads it to both Houses the Commons and the Lords, I don't think the King by his tone was that impressed with it

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    As far as the conflict is Gaza is concerned I think itā€™s fine to call for ceasefires etc but the reality is that even if our government agreed it has zero influence in the region.

    The government priority should be making sure this division dose not spread to this country.

    Peace marches are fine ( though rather pointless) but spreading ant Semitic propaganda is not

    One caveat criticism of the Isreali government is not in itself ant Semitic.

    Absolutely, Truebrit, and I would add to that plans and persuasion to get our nationals out of that hellhole.

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    RWANDA

    Sunak bullish as he defends his new approach, should the problems this policy has faced mean its shelved or is it right to make it work?


    Of course, no matter what he does there are those who will challenge it anyway. But are able to overcome these obstacles and is it worth the cost to the public purse?

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then f**k off before the Police get there. :saint:

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