Raped online: Woman's metaverse abuse sparks controversy, debate

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  • Well this is a hot topic. Can an avatar be raped when all you have to do is disconnect or take your VR set off. This is madness. How many real rapes are happening while police investigate the online world. The online world is not a real world or is it? This is what is being brought into question. It was once classed as the wild west the Internet and still is in some corners. Personally I like it that way as it once was and a free for all. Do we need CyberCops online? How do we control borders or even see where the borders are. IMO there are no borders on the Internet as there are always ways around this and besides Internet data packets travel all around the world to get from A to B so how do we detemine which authority or country has juristriction. The Internet is not owned by anyone specifically and is owned by various groups of companies, organisatons and people controlling various diffrent aspects of it and is ultimatly controlled by the worlds poppulation and developers. We are at the stage now where we are moving from the wild west and having some kind of law enforcement on a world that is virtual. Where do we draw the line between what is reality and what is not?

    Now I understand that psychologically something can be distressing for somone but it theor choice and they can switch off if you feel something is mentally affecting you in a negative way. There's probably some woman out there that would enjoy being virtually raped like some kind of fetish and they can pursue that if they wish within the safety of it being virtual. For the men doing this stuff online it may prevent them from doing it for real in the real world. It's a bit like if prostitution wasn't a thing then there would be more rapes.

    The same with social media....if you feel like your being harassed or bullied then leave that social media platform and go somewhere else. There's always the option to block folk so you don't see their posts or unfriend them etc. If one puts themself in a position where they feel threatened then surly they have to take some responsibility for that, especially when online as there's the option to not go there and it's easy to disconnect. There's serious moral issues here and legal grey areas. Now if somone had an Intwrnet connected or bluetooth sex toy inserted into them controlled by their partners mobile phone app or whatever and somone hacked that device and started to take control of that sex toy insread of the partner then that I would consider to be assault. This is the real world as that person is pysically feeling the effect. And before you ask yes there are such devices. Somone coud have good fun with that in the middle of a meeting in the work place LOL

    IMO These corners of the Internet are a fantasy world and an avatar is not a person. It is a graphical image on a screen that represents a persona. If anyone is to blame here it's the platforms. Rape is the touching up sexualy and / or penetration in the pysical world.

    WTAF

    Police launch the first investigation into 'virtual rape'
    The girl under the age of 16 is said to have been left distraught after her avatar - her digital character - was gang raped by the online strangers.
    www.dailymail.co.uk
    Virtual Rape Is Traumatic, but Is It a Crime?
    Brussels Police have been investigating a citizen's allegations of rape in Second Life. The incident brings up questions of what constitutes abuse online.
    www.wired.com

    What's next...folk getting employed in virtual jobs as a cybercop or barmen, doorman, taxi driver etc in a virtual world earning virtual currency. We really are stepping into 'The Machine Stops' territory here where folk wont even have to leave their house and work from home.

  • The following is worth a read especially if you follow some of the lnks and read those articles. It puts another perspective on it.

    Concept of virtual rape - iPleaders
    Know about: Online violation of sexual autonomy; Rape games; Does it constitute a crime - the thesis behind; What’s new for the future
    blog.ipleaders.in

    Here's one of the links from the victims perspective.

    My First Virtual Reality Groping
    Last week I was groped in virtual reality — did you know that could happen? I didn’t, but now I’m all the wiser.
    medium.com
  • It's a strange explanation from someone who was virtually killing, which was OK, but to be virtually groped was obscene, think about that.

    The game in question had zombies, what if the killing was hitman style, a virtual person? Are we to now look at virtual murder, manslaughter or as stated rape and sexual assault.

    In the real world a woman cannot stop that assault by just removing the headset or switching it off, the groping, intrcourse is real, you will feel, sense and be truly degraded and abused NO ESCAPE. If we are to have the conversation about what she describes as being done to her avatar, let's also discuss the acts she performed. I think we all know that will be viewed differently.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Yep those Grand Theft Auto folk are in trouble. The thing is the world is moving more towards an online world so what we may see in the near future is a transferral of business 'which crime is' moving from the real world to the virtual world. There's a lot of money to be made from the legal systems in place.

  • I suppose it has an edge on Rap music.

    8| "If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence"

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  • The following is worth a read especially if you follow some of the lnks and read those articles. It puts another perspective on it.

    https://blog.ipleaders.in/concept-virtual-rape/

    Here's one of the links from the victims perspective.

    https://medium.com/athena-talks/m…lt-2330410b62ee

    But the software has to permit this so surely a bit of recoding and such behaviour will not be possible?

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  • Virtual rape is a nonsense.. Despite what has been said earlier, immediate removal of the headset and switch off of the device makes the scenario disappear. It's only a sophisticated computer game after all. It might be a bit upsetting but personal responsibility dictates whether somebody participates in the game to the end or turns it off at any time..

    The Voice of Reason

  • Don't get hung up on one type of offence as a yard stick.

    How you can talk about virtual rape without discussing virtual murder, incest or any other heinous topic is beyond me.

    In the OP the girl was happy to kill but not happy to be groped wtf, has her moral compass disappeared upon putting on that headset?

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • Virtual is a representation of reality but is not real - Eastenders tried it but resorted to continuous misery and fighting to get the viewers. Then threw in - first homo kiss. To get the clicks. Then; Autism and ADHD - whatever, they are real actors but their substance is fake.

    I tend to watch Real Crime documentaries. I love it when the police arrest them, especially after years of freedom, then along comes DNA and the cuffs go on.

    8| "If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence"

    IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING - YOU FALL FOR EVERYTHING.

  • Virtual rape is a nonsense.. Despite what has been said earlier, immediate removal of the headset and switch off of the device makes the scenario disappear. It's only a sophisticated computer game after all. It might be a bit upsetting but personal responsibility dictates whether somebody participates in the game to the end or turns it off at any time..

    That is what this investigation is all about , is it a crime or is it not

    From the BBC

    According to an unnamed senior officer familiar with the matter who spoke to the paper the victim, under 16 at the time, suffered psychological trauma "similar to that of someone who has been physically raped".

    But in criminal law, rape and sexual assault require there to have been physical contact.

    Some argue that legal changes may be necessary to ensure that those responsible for sexually motivated attacks on avatars in virtual worlds can be prosecuted and punished effectively.

    But others suggest there may be existing laws, for example against the creation of synthetic child abuse images, which could be used as the basis of prosecutions in virtual world cases.

    Ms Jones told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme on Tuesday: "The police are having to work quickly. They're having to work in conjunction with the government, particularly with the Ministry of Justice, to highlight where there need to be changes in legislation."

    It is not the first time that concerns about sexually motivated attacks in the metaverse have been raised.

  • Many films show violent scenes - rapes - stabbings - torture - and more. People should be left alone to watch whatever they choose. Again we have police involvement when they can not deal with violent protestors or attend burglaries.

    8| "If there be time to expose through discussion, the falsehoods and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence"

    IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING - YOU FALL FOR EVERYTHING.

  • I agree with everything that has been said. Personally I think it's part of the slow manipulative move to living in a virtual reality world. As things stand the real world and cyberspace coexist and cross paths with regards to things like business but more and more parts of the real world are moving to the online world.

    The metaverse as it's been termed by Facebook is only the beginning. Soon shopping sites will look nothing like what we see now and we will put on a VR headset and walk around a shopping mall as we do now in the real world only it will be in 3D space that looks as real as real gets like watching a film. Heck....some people even believe that the real world works in a similar way and we are living in a simulation. We may even have people employed as security guards, cashiers and staff to help you navigate around and choose products as we walk around in these 3D space virtual world sites. We may even have virtual bars and coffee shops where virtual or crypto currency is exchanged. These kind of places could be used for socialising. The Internet as we know it now may not even exist and it will be more like living in a game like SIMS only more realistic and most of it has been built. Maybe in the future we wont have so many bricklayers but we will have 3D coders laying polygons in this virtual world. They are not joking when they say everyone can work from home ;)

    What I'm looking forward to is a room where the walls, floor and ceiling are all built out of microchips so basically one big monitor screen so we can have a Star Trek holodeck in every house. One won't even need a VR headset then. We are not far off that now only we have walls of tv screens rather than the wall itself being the screen.

    We also have to take into consideration how real something can feel when totally immersed in a virtual world. It's like taking LSD and it takes over your senses and feelings. If your immersed deep enough you may even forget about the real world and forget your wearing a VR headset. We will even have virtual sex with the help AI, virtual reality and teledildonics.

    What I believe is happening here is that they are drawing the path for this world which includes having laws and being policed as things are in what we now call the real world. Part of drawing that path is changing peoples thoughts and beliefs along with what's right and wrong or what is acceptable behaviour and what is not acceptable behaviour.

  • I'd say it was a malicious communication which is illegal but in no way comparable to the vile and hugely damaging crime that is rape.

  • This is not one case though and it's multiple cases over the last few years worldwide and it's being questioned by authorites worldwide as to whether it's a crime or not. It's on par with hate speach and many other things that are being introduced and are trying to enforce. The Internet is no longer a playground and the boundries between the real world as in pysical and a virtual world as in the Internet are becoming more and more entwinned with only a Gateway between the two worlds. It's a porthole into another world.

  • The software creators must have created the potential to do these things when they wrote the code. Whilst in no way justified it is hardly surprising that some people have discovered that this act of virtual rape is a feature of the software.

    Just take the code out, make shaking hands the maximum body contact possible.

    With drugs we always go for the dealers and look sympathetically on the addicts. This is the same thing, blame the creators for making such a product, don’t blame the users for using it.

    Ban it, simple as that.

    Why are they not just banning it?

    Because the politicians are seeing opportunities here to clamp down on the internet in a broader manner than the actual problem requires…

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  • I’m not in favour of banning things on a general basis. Why not just get people to sign up to whatever degree of reality they want when they participate?

    Some people may want to experience the full range of dangers that exist in life. Why spoil it for them?

  • I’m not in favour of banning things on a general basis. Why not just get people to sign up to whatever degree of reality they want when they participate?

    Some people may want to experience the full range of dangers that exist in life. Why spoil it for them?

    This case is about a girl under the age of 16 sent a malicious and disturbing communication. She could not give informed consent to such.

  • Well, maybe she shouldn’t have been on that site.

    It's actually a video game with no apparent age description called Horizon World that merely claims that Parental Guidance is needed. Given what we now know it allows users to do

    a) the game should be banned and blocked from purchases or downloads until such capability is removed or appropriate age restriction is put in it

    b) as users know it has no age restrictions then if the user that effected that virtual rape can be brought to UK justice they need to be charged with malicious communication and put on the sex offenders register.

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