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  • Actually I couldn’t care less if a bunch of hookers ( because that is what they were

    No they where not. See this is what many of you seem to not understand. They where not hired as prostitutes/hookers or even escorts. They where hired for a job position advertised as a hostess for cocktail parties. This happened to be a live in job and had the appeal to young woman in the same way that going to Ibiza as a club rep appeals. Once they where there they where groomed and manipulated along with financial incentives on top of what they where earning already with no easy means of escape. They where hired under false pretences.

    Many of you now seem to use this bias and cruelly compare them to being a hooker as a means of justification for dirty old men getting their wicked ways with them. Those girls are the victims here and quite rightly so should be compensated for their troubles along with those men proved guilty as charged. Your basically justifying rape.

  • Many of you now seem to use this bias and cruelly compare them to being a hooker as a means of justification for dirty old men getting their wicked ways with them. Those girls are the victims here and quite rightly so should be compensated for their troubles along with those men proved guilty as charged. Your basically justifying rape.

    Hooker ( Prostitute ) meaning :- Prostitution, the practice of engaging in relatively indiscriminate sexual activity, in general with someone who is not a spouse or a friend, in exchange for payment of money or other valuables.

    NB.......Those women were allegedly benefitting personally from their sexual activities with strangers. What is the difference and why not call them hookers.

    The Voice of Reason

  • That is very naive thinking .

    They weren’t hired as hostesses at all .

    They weren’t victims or perhaps some of the younger ones were but it didn’t stop them going back time and time again because they got big bucks for doing so .

    ie Take this Sarah Ransome . She wasn't a child being in her early twenties and she had been around the block and knew perfectly well how many beans make several thsoands .

    Look at the pictures on his tropical island they all were having a good time enjoying the millionaire lifestyle .

    Look at them now all have done pretty well out of Epstein .

    Now they want to squeeze the maximum they can out of his estate .

    I have no truck with old men who have sex with young women but that is the way it goes .

    And always has throughout the ages
    Young women exchange their bodies for money and a wealthy lifestyle .

  • That’s simply not true and is a cruel comparison.

    Actually I couldn’t care less if a bunch of hookers ( because that is what they were ) went to his island had a great time made tons of easy dosh and now want more .


    They are not all ‘ victims ‘ most were not underage they are gold digging women who are put for what they can get .

    Where there are rich men ( and I don’t excuse them ) there are always women like this .

    Epstein didn’t have them chained to his house or his yacht they went back year after year .

    Certainly beats working for a living

    Its not about being rich. Its about shagging around while pretending to be a person of status.

    The psycho part I find is when leftists go full-on hate for Trump because he uttered the words - "Grab em by the pussy" - in private. And tell us he is Satan, a Nazi because of it.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • Its not about being rich. Its about shagging around while pretending to be a person of status.

    The psycho part I find is when leftists go full-on hate for Trump because he uttered the words - "Grab em by the pussy" - in private. And tell us he is Satan, a Nazi because of it.

    You know the leftist mantra…

    “It’s OK when we do it”.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • That is very naive thinking .

    They weren’t hired as hostesses at all . . . .

    You would only be able to assert that as fact if you were an insider in Epstein's sordid operation. You sure you want to pursue this line?

  • Why not this happens all over .

    Mega rich men have myriads of young women if they are into that sort of thing .

    Epstein may have been a pervert but he paid well and wasn’t exactly cruel they could have left anytime .

    Sarah Ransome ( the second most noisy claimant. ) Who has written a book ) wasn’t exactly a vestal virgin when she was on his island . She was in her early twenties and had a previous career as an exotic dancer . She lived for several years in an apartment owned by Epstein .

    To say they were victims is to demonise the real victims of the sex trade poor girls who are forced by violence into the life as in Eastern Europe and India . They are victims they can’t walk away they are threatened by violent pimps and poverty.

    These spoilt women were onto a good thing and they knew it .

  • Nobody ever suggested these girls were abducted. They were coerced because they were young, poor and vulnerable.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • Some were I’m sure, not coerced but seduced into doing things .

    It didn’t stop them recruiting other young girls though too to make even more money .

    Money speaks and its a language as old as time .

    And it can’t be denied that the perks offered were great .

    Apart from getting wads of dosh to have sex with unappetising men ( ie Prince Andrew ) holidays on a tropical island all expenses paid is not a great hardship .

  • Amongst young and vulnerable people coercion is simply exploitation. Yes they had a choice. But if their personal circumstances had been better they would likely have said no or would never have been approached in the first place.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • Not all girls like this are poor and vulnerable .

    Poor and vulnerable girls get Iill treated by pimps and vicious sex traffickers .

    You would be surprised at how many of these girls are brought up quite well but just get a taste for easy money .

    Rich men don’t want reluctant girls they want willing girls and can pay for them .

  • I do not give a flying Duck if Mary Smith, the Starbucks lady, or John Smith the local Pub Landlord nips off for some sex. I do mind and have a right to mind if my Town Mayor - Leader of The Council - Chief Constable - MP - people who preach ethical standards and TAKE AN OATH - are flying off without their wives or husband - and shagging young girls. Thats all - that's it. No more, no less.

    To some people, it matters not if Sadiq Khan were to fly over and get a blow job from a 15-year-old girl. (Not saying he did - I am saying were this to happen). Most rational people have values whereby they will not accept this duplicitous behaviour.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • I do not give a flying Duck if Mary Smith, the Starbucks lady, or John Smith the local Pub Landlord nips off for some sex. I do mind and have a right to mind if my Town Mayor - Leader of The Council - Chief Constable - MP - people who preach ethical standards and TAKE AN OATH - are flying off without their wives or husband - and shagging young girls. Thats all - that's it. No more, no less.

    To some people, it matters not if Sadiq Khan were to fly over and get a blow job from a 15-year-old girl. (Not saying he did - I am saying were this to happen). Most rational people have values whereby they will not accept this duplicitous behaviour.

    It's called ethical standards in professional life. I would say that celebrities are exempt from this as they are generally a feral bunch of chancers who got lucky, they are our "creative" types and I think we can all agree that some of the very best of contemporary culture (and I am saying from the swinging 60's through to today) has been created by deeply flawed additive personalities who suffer from all sorts of mental health, addiction and personality issues. It is virtually an expectation that celebrity status brings a whole heap of baggage. But politicians, law makers, journalists, royalty, financiers and other pillars of public life etc should all be held to account. They are educated and should know better.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • AS

    You use words like coercion and exploitation, but when does seduction cross that line?

    The answer to that is in threats or force being used. If Maxwell simply used money and trappings as a seduction tool then those young women were as guilty or as greedy as him.

    Is an escort a prostitute? If she goes beyond the company into accepting money for sex yes, if she got a flat or a car for sex she is still a prostitute. What about young women who shag their landlords to pay the rent? If she suggests it she wil be classed as desperate or in need of poverty, if he suggests it it's coercive because the implied threat would be eviction. Damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

    Remember the woman surrounding Prince Andrew. It was her that claimed this was NOT AND NEVER about money, yet she settled for money having already been paid twice. Once for shagging, once in a settlement by Maxwell that the duplicitous courts ignored or dismissed and then another out of court with Andrew. GREEDY BITCH imo.

    Did your parents have any children that lived.

  • It's called ethical standards in professional life. I would say that celebrities are exempt from this as they are generally a feral bunch of chancers who got lucky, they are our "creative" types and I think we can all agree that some of the very best of contemporary culture (and I am saying from the swinging 60's through to today) has been created by deeply flawed additive personalities who suffer from all sorts of mental health, addiction and personality issues. It is virtually an expectation that celebrity status brings a whole heap of baggage. But politicians, law makers, journalists, royalty, financiers and other pillars of public life etc should all be held to account. They are educated and should know better.

    Well said. I agree.

    The sheepie types of people I have met who, despite the evidence, Prince Andrew - Lord Mountbatten - lick the ground these people walk on. They see nothing wrong just because they are Royalty.

    If I caught Charles knocking off the maid on one of his estate's grassy areas - he would have me knocked off with no hesitation.

    8|Do not trade me a Rabbit and hand me a Hare. (I know the strain of species in Leporidae).

    Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.

  • I have never met anyone who licked the ground for Prince Andrew or Mountbatten .

    Maybe some royal sycophants but these two like many privileged royals are / were arrogant unpleasant people .

    Can’t see any young women hanging out for a holiday in Balmoral .what with the cold and the midges .

    Moreover the royals are notoriously mean no fat wads of cash coming their way …….

    Wait Virginia Guiffre did alright ,Considering the man said he never even met her and besides sex with a 17 year old is not illegal in the U.K.

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