New Brexit Deal ... Power Sharing To Return to Ireland ?

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  • You worship the empire of the EU and socialism. The former an undemocratic uniparty and the other responsible for the deaths of over 100 million people.


    No irony here.

    No Bread you tell lie after lie as you just did there with yet another malicious rule breaking false personal allegation. But then that's all you've got really isn't it.

    Currently ignoring Echo 10

  • No Bread you tell lie after lie as you just did there with yet another malicious rule breaking false personal allegation. But then that's all you've got really isn't it.

    You're where the truth goes to die steve. I pity you really

  • Oh the irony. Perhaps you forget that despite being challenged you have pathetically failed abysmally to find any supposed lie by me.

    That's because you know there are none and you're just upset that another one of your deceitful malicious personal attacks has been pointed out for what it is.

    Currently ignoring Echo 10

  • Oh the irony. Perhaps you forget that despite being challenged you have pathetically failed abysmally to find any supposed lie by me.

    That's because you know there are none and you're just upset that another one of your deceitful malicious personal attacks has been pointed out for what it is.

    More lies

  • I am sure the Irish will be very grateful. The "problem" was created by the British.

    I Would Rather Be Hated For Telling The Truth Than Revered For Speaking A Lie.

  • All good questions, but I would politely suggest, totally irrelevant, at least to us in GB.

    SF will never persuade a significant enough population of unionists to sign up for UI. All SF need to do now is mount pressure on the government for a border poll.

    Nationalists have the majority in NI and each passing year, a new batch of them come of age, pushing those figures more in their favour. All SF need to win is 50.1% of the vote, what comes after that, at least for us, is none of our concern.

  • All good questions, but I would politely suggest, totally irrelevant, at least to us in GB.

    SF will never persuade a significant enough population of unionists to sign up for UI. All SF need to do now is mount pressure on the government for a border poll.

    Nationalists have the majority in NI and each passing year, a new batch of them come of age, pushing those figures more in their favour. All SF need to win is 50.1% of the vote, what comes after that, at least for us, is none of our concern.

    The problem with Ireland is it keeps coming up with new parties and splitting the vote. Thats why Sinn Fein won - not because its more popular but because of the split votes.

  • You are not reading this correctly. The point is that Sinn Fein has been well known as the political wing of the IRA. There was no slur intended against Michelle O’Neill personally.

    It was Horizon's post not yours and if he'd thought that he shouldn't have made the comment under a picture of her should he

    Let me just step into this for a second (then I'll step out again just as quickly^^) as I started this.

    O'Neill is from a family of militants. A family of republicans who believe that armed resistance to Britain was a good thing. As far as I am concerned whether she was in the IRA or not is irrelevant, she is of the same ilk as the IRA. By the way, so is her new unelected DUP counterpart. Both utterly loathsome individuals.

    Well maybe Horizon should explain that post.

    Done. A few weeks late, but there we go.

    And in case that was not clear, I make no distinction between SF and the IRA.

  • As I said before home rule would probably have happened by 1916 if WW1 hadn’t happened

    It wouldn’t have been a republic ,it would have been something along the lines the Scottish assembly

    The loyalist in the North were the ones who tried to prevent it

    I did believe for a long time that if WW1 hadn't happened, then all of Ireland would've remained in the UK or commonwealth in some form. In fact, more likely things would've gone the same as Canada, but at a slower pace, but that was something the IRA was not going to allow.

    Home Rule would've started that "Canada-sition" of Ireland, but as the IRA and all its predecessors wanted total separation from Britain, Home Rule never would've been acceptable and in the middle of a global war, they took their chance and went for it, and it worked, sort of.

    The narrative is that executions for the Easter Rising were the reason for the Irish turning against Britain, but I'd argue that they were always against Britain.

    If you go through all the twists and turns of the 100 million year history of it all (the Irish like to exaggerate a bit;)) then I don't think that's the case now. The same as I don't believe that a whole population turned against its country because a few terrorists were executed. They turned against Britain because Britain Wasn't ever their country and many Irish people had resisted British rule for hundreds of years before the Easter Ruling.

    The best option for GB is we are rid of that whole damn place. I just feel very sorry for the unionists, as this puts them in a very precarious position, which was the whole reason Northern Ireland was created was to protect them against the hordes.

    Looks like it.

    The demographics have gone the nationalist way and I consider a UI a foregone conclusion now.

    I think there is the potential for trouble, but I don’t think it’s inevitable

    The Republican/nationalist side need to reach out the moderate unionists & persuade them

    that their future best interests are best served within the republic

    Whether they do that or not, it doesn't matter. All they need is 50.1% of the vote in the Border Poll and they've won. And all the figures suggest that they have those numbers today, let alone by 2030.

  • Ireland will be a much better place when the EU stops weaponising the border.

    They haven't at all. The EU breached the GFA during the pandemic, they breached the GFA through the regulatory framework of the EU/NI/GB and they have breached the Union Act of 1800 (the UK government as well) through the Irish Protocol and the Windsor Framework. There is no need for a border in Ireland or separate customs arrangements, its complete bollocks.

    Although I don't disagree about the EU, I do disagree about borders.

    A border is where one set of laws end and another batch start. There has to be a border. And although the DUP have said they have won on this issue, their eyes and body language last week clearly indicated that they've lost on The issue.

    The DUP delayed a UI and perhaps some of them now believe it won't happen, but it will and they need to face this reality. Either remain in what will become a totally foreign country, or leave. Of course many unions, won't have the funds to enable such a choice and that is where our government should step in, I believe.

  • Choosing a United Ireland or remaining with Britain is by default a partisan matter. People will be very focused and serious about it. It is a black- and-white matter- (I do not mean RACE!!)

    I Would Rather Be Hated For Telling The Truth Than Revered For Speaking A Lie.

  • Although I don't disagree about the EU, I do disagree about borders.

    A border is where one set of laws end and another batch start. There has to be a border. And although the DUP have said they have won on this issue, their eyes and body language last week clearly indicated that they've lost on The issue.

    The DUP delayed a UI and perhaps some of them now believe it won't happen, but it will and they need to face this reality. Either remain in what will become a totally foreign country, or leave. Of course many unions, won't have the funds to enable such a choice and that is where our government should step in, I believe.

    There is a border - a regulatory border, a currency border and a tax border. If the EU want a physical border, they should build one in their own territory, we don't need one.

  • But there wasn't a regulatory border though until we left the EU. That was the problem, at least for them.

    We are already regulatory aligned even though we aren't in the single market. We have mutual recognition arrangements (as do the EU) with other countries, the Irish border was just a weapon to make leaving the EU as difficult as possible and it suited Theresa May and Olly Robbins.

    The physical border in Ireland was a security border, and besides, regulatory inspections aren't done at borders either, they are done away from the border (the EU does this too). The whole thing is designed to stitch up the UK and keep us in the regulatory orbit of the EU. The sooner we ditch the Irish Protocol, TCA and Windsor Framework the better we will be.

  • The whole point of Brexit is that alignment will shift. It is shifting now, as we don't adopt new EU laws.

    I did believe, and still do to some extent, that the whole issue of Northern Ireland was used as a weapon against us to make things as difficult as possible and as a warning to any other country wishing to leave the EU. However, since Varadkar actions during that saga, I think there was clearly something else going on and that was the Irish trying to use Brexit as a means to achieve a UI.

    One clearly disgusting example of this was Varadkar showing pictures of dead bodies during The Troubles to other EU leaders and saying that we were trying to undermine the peace process, when we were doing out uttermost best to do the exact opposite. An cnut he was/still is,

  • "One clearly disgusting example of this was Varadkar showing pictures of dead bodies during The Troubles to other EU leaders and saying that we were trying to undermine the peace process, when we were doing out uttermost best to do the exact opposite. An cnut he was/still is"


    He sure is,

    I Would Rather Be Hated For Telling The Truth Than Revered For Speaking A Lie.

  • The whole point of Brexit is that alignment will shift. It is shifting now, as we don't adopt new EU laws.

    I did believe, and still do to some extent, that the whole issue of Northern Ireland was used as a weapon against us to make things as difficult as possible and as a warning to any other country wishing to leave the EU. However, since Varadkar actions during that saga, I think there was clearly something else going on and that was the Irish trying to use Brexit as a means to achieve a UI.

    One clearly disgusting example of this was Varadkar showing pictures of dead bodies during The Troubles to other EU leaders and saying that we were trying to undermine the peace process, when we were doing out uttermost best to do the exact opposite. An cnut he was/still is,

    We have accepted too many restrictions. The EU won’t even let us determine our own rate of VAT.

    What we need to do is forge arrangements and deals with other countries to rid ourselves of the over-reliance on the EU and scrap the Brexit deal altogether. Then we can start negotiations on a new EU/UK deal that avoids accepting the restrictions the EU is placing upon us - one that benefits both sides.

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