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  • Mike Freer: Tory minister quitting parliament says 'enough' after raft of death threats and abuse
    The Conservative MP tells Sky's Sophy Ridge it is "open season" on public servants - and calls for more action to tackle social media abuse.
    news.sky.com

    This is what you get when so many in so many places including here spread the lie that all politicians are evil. A decent guy is lost to British Politics. If such continues no decent people will want to be MPs and those that spread the lie will have ironically made it become true.

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    This is what you get when so many in so many places including here spread the lie that all politicians are evil. A decent guy is lost to British Politics. If such continues no decent people will want to be MPs and those that spread the lie will have ironically made it become true.

    I think that the problem we have is our elected politicians do not seem to be interested in the people they represent and are instead obsessed with globalist agendas. If the Conservative Party was let’s say a bit more conservative and a bit less socialist, if they actually looked like they wanted to do something about illegal migration, if they stopped this nonsense with banning internal combustion engine cars and trying to restrict access to cities and travel by draconian financial penalties, if they stopped trying to dictate what people say and think, if they stopping giving vast amounts of our money away to overseas nations that hate us, if they actually did something to reduce energy prices and the cost of living, if they could recognise that making what we need here is good for the people who live here because it generates jobs, and I could go on a lot more.

    If our politicians actually did something fucking useful, then those out there who have difficulty in staying calm and rational may not be so predisposed to posting threats on the internet and giving the political class more excuses to continue tightening the grip on free speech to save their own miserable arses.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • https://news.sky.com/story/mike-fre…-abuse-13061597

    This is what you get when so many in so many places including here spread the lie that all politicians are evil. A decent guy is lost to British Politics. If such continues no decent people will want to be MPs and those that spread the lie will have ironically made it become true.

    Being a politician is a thankless task. I’m surprised that so many people put themselves forward to undertake the rôle.

  • That may be the case for some, but many do it because they want to give their all to public service.

    They are called backbenchers and they are all whipped into line.

    I’m sorry OB but politics is broken, not fit for purpose and is geared to obtaining and then maintaining power. What is good for the people or what you said you would do to gain the required votes is soon kicked into touch.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • We simply need to trace and hammer them, sentences worthy of being called a deterrent. Do it often and ensure the courts cannot set inadequate or offensively soft minor sentences. We see this happen all to frequently where offenders get what most seems as left off.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • I think that the problem we have is our elected politicians do not seem to be interested in the people they represent and are instead obsessed with globalist agendas. If the Conservative Party was let’s say a bit more conservative and a bit less socialist, if they actually looked like they wanted to do something about illegal migration, if they stopped this nonsense with banning internal combustion engine cars and trying to restrict access to cities and travel by draconian financial penalties, if they stopped trying to dictate what people say and think, if they stopping giving vast amounts of our money away to overseas nations that hate us, if they actually did something to reduce energy prices and the cost of living, if they could recognise that making what we need here is good for the people who live here because it generates jobs, and I could go on a lot more.

    If our politicians actually did something fucking useful, then those out there who have difficulty in staying calm and rational may not be so predisposed to posting threats on the internet and giving the political class more excuses to continue tightening the grip on free speech to save their own miserable arses.

    So not just Angostura that's mindlessly bitter then

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  • So, what is your solution, Armitage?

    In terms of the current system it has evolved into what it is.

    What should we have instead that meets the criteria of a representative democracy? I have some thoughts on things that might be considered but knowing something is broken doesn’t mean I or anyone can fix it. My thoughts though are as follows:

    1 We have too many lawyers in politics- should lawyers be permitted into high office? I would say not, lawyers are generally useless at everything but law, not great for considering manufacturing, NHS and science

    2 We have safe seats, maybe we should draw up different constituencies for each election, maybe even have constituencies of towns that are similar but miles apart. We have first past the post voting but if we mix up the boundaries significantly we will remove safe seats and create genuine competition and the need to make real assurances and promises.

    3 And in slight conflict with 2 the candidates for election must be native to the area to avoid parachuting in preferred candidates from outside simply for the purpose of getting them into office.

    4 Maximum terms of office for all politicians I suggest no more than three general election cycles and after that they must leave the political arena in all it’s forms. This includes sitting Prime Ministers. I think this is healthy for politics and democracy.

    5 All politicians must stand as independents. I think that political parties should abolished. Once elected the politicians must form into groups to create influence, therefore like minded MPs would levitate toward each other and without the pressure of party politics would agree to form a manifesto. They could then elect a leader from within their group. Each group does the same and those leaders become the government front bench. Others could be promoted as required to fill the posts needed to create a functioning government. A combined manifesto based in proportion of the content of each of the group manifestos is then produced and the whole house votes on it. The government can only implement manifesto pledges, any other action must be via referendum.

    6 Manifesto monitoring, the government has to produce a time based plan for implementing the elements of their manifesto. If they do not implement the plan they can be removed by the right to recall.

    Just a few ideas, you can probably drive a bus through it but the idea is to remind politicians that they work for us and this country first and foremost.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • That may be the case for some, but many do it because they want to give their all to public service.


    Please let’s not tar everyone with the same brush.

    Your right of course but I think the behaviour of some politicians in recent years has contributed to a general lack of public trust in our elected representatives

    The expenses scandal

    The deep divisions caused by Brexit

    Michelle Mone

    Boris Johnson’s ( our first celebrity PM )

    The pantomime which is PMQs

    Unfortunately the hard working types from both sides of the house tend to be lost in a sea of BS from the gobshites

    I listened to Chris Heaton-Harris addressing the house last week regarding Stormont , I thought he spoke well

    His opposite number Hilary Benn got up , he asked some sensible questions & paid tribute to Heaton-Harris for his work

    Heaton-Harris then thanked Benn for is input

    It was obvious they had cooperated with each other

    Not always possible but in my view it’s how politics should work

  • None of those things should justify physical attacks or worse on those elected to serve their constituencies....... I blame the spread of hatred on social media which encourages the intellectually challenged to act out the hatred by means of physical attacks.

    There are a good number of dedicated politicians who are doing their best under trying circumstances.

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  • Manifesto monitoring, the government has to produce a time based plan for implementing the elements of their manifesto. If they do not implement the plan they can be removed by the right to recall.

    With that in mind, following the Tory 2019 win and the subsequent pandemic, would it even have been possible for them to truly implement that manifesto. A reminder.........levelling up.

    Maybe I'm asking the wrong person knowing your feelings on the pandemic.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • With that in mind, following the Tory 2019 win and the subsequent pandemic, would it even have been possible for them to truly implement that manifesto. A reminder.........levelling up.

    Maybe I'm asking the wrong person knowing your feelings on the pandemic.

    If it the rule was real then yes. Clearly any government is going to try and force majure their way out of any obligation to actually do what they promised in their manifesto, especially with so many lawyers in their midst. The pandemic was zero excuse in my mind but there is still a lot of political capital and new legislation to emerge as a result of the enquiry and of course it keeps the money rolling in for the legal profession and judiciary.

    In ordinary times without a pandemic the government should deliver their manifesto and nothing else. We should be able to hold them to account and remove them once they are seen to be failing. The levelling up is a great example of political bullshit, the sort of crass tactic deployed by all wannabe governments. Then once in power they run off to the WEF, WHO and UN and COP to get their instructions - none of which is in their manifesto.

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • If it the rule was real then yes. Clearly any government is going to try and force majure their way out of any obligation to actually do what they promised in their manifesto, especially with so many lawyers in their midst. The pandemic was zero excuse in my mind but there is still a lot of political capital and new legislation to emerge as a result of the enquiry and of course it keeps the money rolling in for the legal profession and judiciary.

    In ordinary times without a pandemic the government should deliver their manifesto and nothing else. We should be able to hold them to account and remove them once they are seen to be failing. The levelling up is a great example of political bullshit, the sort of crass tactic deployed by all wannabe governments. Then once in power they run off to the WEF, WHO and UN and COP to get their instructions - none of which is in their manifesto.

    Here's a complete list of years of what you call ordinary times in recorded history:


    end list

    The House of Lords is our check and balance on governments wandering off from their manifestoes but we elect people and if they don't deliver what was promised we have the ability to de-elect them every 5 years. The sack them on a whim scheme you propose would just mean no decent capable people would ever want to be MPs.

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  • With that in mind, following the Tory 2019 win and the subsequent pandemic, would it even have been possible for them to truly implement that manifesto. A reminder.........levelling up.

    Maybe I'm asking the wrong person knowing your feelings on the pandemic.

    I'm not sure what you thought was involved in levelling up, but this might give you a clue as to what is being done about it.

    Levelling Up projects across the UK
    Levelling Up is happening across the whole of the UK.
    levellingup.campaign.gov.uk

    Click on the 'accessible list' if you want more detail.

  • An interesting map OB, zoom in in Newcastle and slightly north, virtually non existent. As always it goes to cities, it was the main reason the people of the North East rejected Prescott's northern assembly plans.

    These projects are a bit of window dressing tbh, the funding is NOT there, I accept that. Would it have been better under Boris and without a pandemic, who knows, but I do know that in my mind levelling up means that the schools in my area get the same funding per child as London Boroughs. That where councils in London get a London weighting, councils like mine get extra due to its statutory requirements to provide for rural communities as they do in town, it cost more.

    The dualling of the A1 trunk road up to Edinburgh above another clucking underground line for London. My area is getting a rail line reinstated, it's been talked about since long before I moved back to the area in 2000, but the money isn't there for the stations. It will cost far more to ride than a bus, I use neither tbh so I am not hung up on it. So we shall see if this happens in my lifetime.

    “You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.”

  • Unfortunately 'levelling up' became pork barrel politics biased towards Tory marginal seats

    The map with dots all looks good but will any of them make a significant difference?

    Up in Teesside the Tory Mayor is well supported but has been pretty vocal about the government failing to deliver the promised cash

  • The select committee were less impressed https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mps-go…t-b2346137.html

    'The committee said a lack of transparency on how money from the levelling-up fund was allocated has left DLUHC open to criticism over how bids received ministerial sign-off.

    It highlighted the example of a district council in Rishi Sunak’s constituency of Richmond, which received £19 million in the second round of levelling-up funding despite having a high level of prosperity.

    The committee also cited research which showed Dorset, which is perceived as less in need of funding, receiving “10 times more direct funding than what are ranked as poorer areas in the north such as Knowsley, Burnley and Salford”.

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