DEI - Diversity Equity and Inclusion: A Toxic Trojan Horse? What Do You Think?

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  • You are missing the points I’ve made.

    1. You don’t need to run courses like this to achieve the objective of eliminating inequality, etc.

    2. This ‘small amount of money per person’ is actually a large amount of money overall, and we are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on highly paid specialists in the subject. This money would be better used being diverted to the front line.

    3. The attitude that a small percentage of a huge budget can be wasted in this way is indicative of a lax financial regime that is the cause of a huge amount of waste that nobody in the NHS seems to want to deal with.

    4. Nobody of fair mind wants to see minorities abused. However, this DEI rubbish will not improve that at all. Bigots will always be bigots. It’s their behaviour at work that needs to be tackled, and those who don’t abide by it should be disciplined, and ultimately sacked if they don’t improve. Simples.

    Anyway, clearly you are going to persist in failing to grasp the actual points being made to you and doing what you accuse others of doing - misrepresenting what has been said. You have claimed several times that opponents of DEI training in the NHS want to see the abuse of minorities, and yet no-one has said that or even thinks that.

  • And you are going to obsess about 12p per employee and less than 0.00001% of organisation budget making employees better aware.

    If you wanted to communicate that you actually feel that abuse of minorities is OK you could hardly do a better job.

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  • No they don't. The vast majority of you maybe, there's still hope for your left big toe.

    I bet you still haven't read that link about what DEI actually is.

    I’ve done the training Steve. I know full well. I spoke to my colleagues afterwards. Abused and insulted is correct. Patronising, condescending, dumbed down, broad sweeping, generalised pseudo psychology gruel. Delivered by out of work actors and activists including black and gay cast members and activists.

    Clearly no ethnics or LGBTQ in the target audience.

    Absolute bollocks.

    It creates more problems than it solves. Now add insult and deep mistrust to the mix.

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  • And you are going to obsess about 12p per employee and less than 0.00001% of organisation budget making employees better aware.

    If you wanted to communicate that you actually feel that abuse of minorities is OK you could hardly do a better job.

    As I thought - you are not listening. The words heads and brick walls come to mind.

    I’m not buying any of this claptrap Steve. You’re on your own, mate.

  • I've told you before, I'm retired.

    As for your apparent assertion that a group of people would be 'better' if they had no minorities in it then do you realise how bigoted that looks. Maybe you could clarify your comment.

    Lying again .

    you need to see someone about this problem

  • So now you say I'm lying about being retired. How bizarre

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  • As I thought - you are not listening. The words heads and brick walls come to mind.

    Oh the irony

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  • Well in at least one case because she told me she was getting married to her girlfriend that's how.

    As for 'we' it is anyone who lives in the UK and I repeat we have to be better than freely allowing abuse, harassment and discrimination against good people for innate characteristics they can do nothing about.

    A load of bollox. You mean that YOU things this way. Bully for you.

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  • So you want to be able to harass people that don't align with you. Well no news there then.

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  • NHS should axe diversity and inclusion officers, says Health Secretary

    Health Secretary Victoria Atkins says she wants the NHS to move away from hiring equity, diversity and inclusion (EDI) officers and focus instead on recruiting and retaining staff capable of caring for patients.

    At the FSU we agree, not least because EDI staff are responsible for establishing and delivering workplace EDI training. Contrary to the popular slogan that expenditure on these training opportunities is “just good business”, the FSU’s latest research report reveals that it operates, in effect, as an ‘EDI Tax’.

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  • So you want to be able to harass people that don't align with you. Well no news there then.

    That’s just you saying that, Steve. I thought you disliked the practice of twisting somebody’s words to mean something else.

    The DEI training in the National Health Service is well over the top and I’m surprised you don’t see that.

    However, I accept that you may not, assuming you’re not just winding us up. ;)

  • That’s just you saying that, Steve. I thought you disliked the practice of twisting somebody’s words to mean something else.

    . .

    No twisting here. Maybe you should read the actual post sequence:

    Me (post 171): 'we have to be better than freely allowing abuse, harassment and discrimination against good people for innate characteristics they can do nothing about.'

    Echo (post 188 quoting 171): 'A load of bollox. You mean that YOU things this way. Bully for you.'

    So has Echo rebutted my 'we have to be better than' IE he wants the opposite IE he wants that abuse, harassment and discrimination to be allowed

    Now tell me why me saying (post 189) 'So you want to be able to harass people that don't align with you. Well no news there then.' is somehow unfair. You know full well it's a fair summary of his post 188 and that he is the first to try and harass anyone here that he disagrees with.

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  • . . The DEI training in the National Health Service is well over the top and I’m surprised you don’t see that.

    However, I accept that you may not, assuming you’re not just winding us up. ;)

    How so you suppose that? On the evidence you've shown so far it's only possible to conclude we're talking less than 0.03% of NHS spend is on it. Have you shown us actual DEI training material? Not that I can recall.

    Have there been some instances of idiocy in the NHS? Yes. In a workforce of well over a million you're going to get some mistakes. But then there have also been numerous false stories said about the NHS. Remember that survey you falsely said was an NHS one but wasn't.

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  • How so you suppose that? On the evidence you've shown so far it's only possible to conclude we're talking less than 0.03% of NHS spend is on it.

    As you have been at great pains to point out the DEI spend in terms of % of budget is insignificant. However, as OB pointed out that small % is a significant sum of money in of itself which could be put to good use ie not pandering to non white and non conforming minorities to make them feel better.

    £40m will build a school or refurbish 4 or 5 schools in desperate need of repair.

    It would pay for approximately 6 days of hotel bills for illegals. But to be honest I’d rather burn the cash than spend it on that.

    There are many worthy activities the cash could be spent on but DEI is definitely not in the top one million things on my list.

    We have law’s already in place for half a century covering discrimination. We also have the 2010 Equalities Act which covers the same thing and includes hate speech laws.

    DEI is just Marxist claptrap and should be rejected by all right thinking people.

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  • No twisting here. Maybe you should read the actual post sequence:

    Me (post 171): 'we have to be better than freely allowing abuse, harassment and discrimination against good people for innate characteristics they can do nothing about.'

    Echo (post 188 quoting 171): 'A load of bollox. You mean that YOU things this way. Bully for you.'

    So has Echo rebutted my 'we have to be better than' IE he wants the opposite IE he wants that abuse, harassment and discrimination to be allowed

    Now tell me why me saying (post 189) 'So you want to be able to harass people that don't align with you. Well no news there then.' is somehow unfair. You know full well it's a fair summary of his post 188 and that he is the first to try and harass anyone here that he disagrees with.

    I believe that Echo was challenging the interpretation you made of his post. You are putting words into his mouth. That is what you accuse others of doing to you.

  • How so you suppose that? On the evidence you've shown so far it's only possible to conclude we're talking less than 0.03% of NHS spend is on it. Have you shown us actual DEI training material? Not that I can recall.

    Have there been some instances of idiocy in the NHS? Yes. In a workforce of well over a million you're going to get some mistakes. But then there have also been numerous false stories said about the NHS. Remember that survey you falsely said was an NHS one but wasn't.

    Yes, you like to quote that percentage, because it makes it sound of little importance. I prefer to quote £millions, to put that into perspective.

  • I believe that Echo was challenging the interpretation you made of his post. You are putting words into his mouth. That is what you accuse others of doing to you.

    If he was then it's woeful he used the words that taken as written said he was opposing any action to counter harassment etc. Don't blame me for his mispost that he has neither corrected nor retracted.

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  • Yes, you like to quote that percentage, because it makes it sound of little importance. I prefer to quote £millions, to put that into perspective.

    I mourn that you apparently don't know what perspective means

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  • Yes we do have those laws but you know full well they don't actually fully work and also that leading is far better than punishing.

    As posted before, the £40M is a fabricated number from the Sun using questionable extrapolations. We know not what the actual spend is nor what is the right figure. What I have continued to say is:

    - projecting that ending at most a 0.03% spend is the way to solve NHS funding is starting from the wrong end of their spend

    - saying the correct proactive spend on diversity is zero is mindlessly short sighted unless someone's real objective is to suppress diversity

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  • I mourn that you apparently don't know what perspective means

    Perspective means taking a realistic view of other more appropriate ways of spending a colossal amount of money on more worthwhile things - like frontline services.

    Of course, anyone wedded to this ridiculous dogma cannot see that.

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