The Great Debate on Immigration

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  • Cummings said that the UK does not have the infrastructure to control our borders at all. It doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, that should be a basic task of government and we've been failed by successive governments over decades.


    I am surprised that's not a headline on today's papers.

    I agree no Government to date has put anything in place to control and protect our borders

  • Your giving away far more than you think you are.

    Again in your imagination. But no doubt you'll make up some false story about me and claim you've evidenced it. Go on tell what you suppose you've found out

  • Again in your imagination. But no doubt you'll make up some false story about me and claim you've evidenced it. Go on tell what you suppose you've found out

    Your the one making things up here.

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    Am I being paranoid or do I detect the government starting to accept illegal immigrants as a fact of life?


    While I want to free up the hotels, I want to prioritise moving on those who have no right to stay here. The appeal in relation to the Rwanda scheme is due to be decided upon within weeks but it almost seems like they’ve given up already.

    This is like the Dominic Cummings revelation that this country hasn't been able to control its border for ages. It makes you wonder whether Tony Blair's Open Door policy is still being implemented.


    I know that is total conspiracy theory, but those in the echelons of power are not only, not controlling immigration, which is eroding our culture, but seem to be actively ensuing that our culture is eroded and eventually destroyed. I would ask them one question. Why?

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  • How can anyone guarantee the safe release of ALL hostages?

    They will be taken out also along with everyone else.

    Am I being paranoid or do I detect the government starting to accept illegal immigrants as a fact of life?

    About time you realised this.

    While I want to free up the hotels, I want to prioritise moving on those who have no right to stay here. The appeal in relation to the Rwanda scheme is due to be decided upon within weeks but it almost seems like they’ve given up already.

    Rwanda won't change things. How many do you think we can send there. Rwanda is just more political posturing to pull the wool over and appease peoples eyes and make it look like they are serious about the immigration issues and win votes.

    Cummings said that the UK does not have the infrastructure to control our borders at all. It doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, that should be a basic task of government and we've been failed by successive governments over decades.

    I totally agree. If it was down to me I would put dads army on the beaches every so far apart to create a ring of fire of machine gun posts with a right to fire. I vote Canny Lad in as Capt Mainwaring :P


    Either that or we should build a wall around the UK which is not a bad idea actually and will also help with flood defences, global warming and the Seas rising and eroding our shorelines. Sea defences is what we need with strict control at various gates. I doubt it would be any more expensive that HS2 but the problem is it's not a business for them and there's no return.

    I know that is total conspiracy theory, but those in the echelons of power are not only, not controlling immigration, which is eroding our culture, but seem to be actively ensuing that our culture is eroded and eventually destroyed. I would ask them one question. Why?

    Indeed...and I ask myself the same question. My guess is because we have already been infiltrated at the highest levels including Russian and Chinese influence and those in power want to destroy us from the inside out. They have their own calls for Jihad. Again it all leads back to our political infrastructure and who we allow in either as an MP and / or funding and the way it all operates. We will never resolve things until we change our political infrastructure and the way it operates.

  • Cummings said that the UK does not have the infrastructure to control our borders at all. It doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, that should be a basic task of government and we've been failed by successive governments over decades.


    I am surprised that's not a headline on today's papers.

    But the big issue on illegal immigration isn't our borders and hasn't been for a long time. It's overstayers that enter the UK perfectly legally but then don't leave when they should do.

  • Yes. My reading of Cummings' comments, is that there are no controls at all, including on the overstayers that you mention. Foreign students being a large part of this, but also manual labour too like fruit pickers, which are seasonal jobs and not needed all year round.

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  • But the big issue on illegal immigration isn't our borders and hasn't been for a long time. It's overstayers that enter the UK perfectly legally but then don't leave when they should do.

    To be honest, legal immigration bothers me more

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • To be honest, legal immigration bothers me more

    We give citizenship when we should give residence, we give residence when we should give work permits and we give work permits when we shouldn't


    So yes

  • To be honest, legal immigration bothers me more

    Me too, as that has the greatest impact long term, because of the sheer numbers. But I do think the small boats issue is more important at the moment, due to the security implications of unregistered people coming onto our shores.

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  • Me too, as that has the greatest impact long term, because of the sheer numbers. But I do think the small boats issue is more important at the moment, due to the security implications of unregistered people coming onto our shores.

    That's a very good point, but I suspect in a strange way it's a good distraction for the government. As long as they look like they are trying to do something everyone is ignoring the hundreds of thousands coming here legally.

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • The small boats are mainly full of young men of fighting age from countries who hate us .

    We just have to stop letting people in who hate us .

    The results of which we see on our streets now .

  • He has two choices as far as I can see. One is to do something about the ECHR. Either disapply the application of the illegal immigration provisions of the ECHR to Britain or pull out of the agreement altogether and legislate for a Bill of Rights to replace it to suit the modern world OR


    Enter into a revised agreement with Rwanda prohibiting that country from sending these people back to their country of origin if it is too dangerous for the individuals to be returned there.


    Either way this will take time and it will be challenged in the courts. He will really struggle to get this in place before the election.

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  • He has two choices as far as I can see. One is to do something about the ECHR. Either disapply the application of the illegal immigration provisions of the ECHR to Britain or pull out of the agreement altogether and legislate for a Bill of Rights to replace it to suit the modern world OR


    Enter into a revised agreement with Rwanda prohibiting that country from sending these people back to their country of origin if it is too dangerous for the individuals to be returned there.


    Either way this will take time and it will be challenged in the courts. He will really struggle to get this in place before the election.

    All this was entirely predictable.

    Rwanda was a flawed plan from the beginning

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