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  • To be fair mate, breast augmentation is the enlargement, your daughters case is different and isnt classed as a form of cosmetic surgery. The strain extra large breasts can put on the back is in itself worthy of the reduction surgery.

    I once had to help evict a female student from student accommodation, because she spent her student loan of breast enlargement.

    There is a clear point in that if a specialist deems durgery necessary then one should listen. CCG's are a pain, but they undoubtedly serve a purpose. I have spibal epidurals, the CCG got itself involved and reduced there frequency, frequency dictated previously by a pain management consultant. Now i find myself in a pigs ear of a procedure, i can have 2 injections in a 12 month period then get discharged. After aboutv2 months I ask my GP to re-refer me and the process starts again. If timings get thrown out it can be 8 to 10 months before my next one. We asked for dispensation at the beginning explaining that they kept me working, they said they wouldn't make dispensation for someone who was working. The truth is their budget is not part of the dwp budget so they weren't interested.

    I hope she gets the reduction, I know a couple of women for whom that surgery was life changing.

    I agree. There is a genuine health issue here which should always be available on the NHS.

  • Which simply reinforces my point. The more you incentivize people to go the private route the more NHS doctors might review their personal work/life balance and opt to jump ship. I reckon a tax-cut/incentive to patients to go private in a bid to reduce the NHS waiting list could actually have the opposite effect.

    What drives people towards Private Medical Insurance is the huge waiting lists in the NHS, a simple knee replacement may mean many months or much longer before the NHS can do the op, there are some ops that Private Hospitals cannot do as they don't have the amount of equipment the NHS has.

    For the NHS to make a large dent in waiting lists it would mean , all Surgeons would have to work longer hours and operate 7 days a week, Private Hospitals actually do carry out ops on NHS patients to try and reduce the waiting lists.

    But the bottom line is the NHS cannot cope with the amount of patients it has to try and treat due the size of the population which will reach 70 million in a few years time, we need mor hospitals , we need more Nurses, Surgeons Doctors.

    The problem being with Surgeons it takes time to get them on line and experienced , it takes 3 years just to get a Nurse on the bottom ring of the ladder

  • In Kuensberg on Sunday Starmer kept talking about REFORM as if its some magic wand, yet no presenter or Politician has yet raised the fact that the NHS was reformed.

    Firstly by Tony Blair where the number of managers practically trebled, Langsley attempted to reform the NHS only to face fierce resistance.

    There are far too many management tiers in the organisation, even we as we discuss are not 100% sure who is responsible for what. What I do know is that their seems to be a never ending criticism of Government for things that I don't believe they are or ever should be responsible for.

    There is no doubt that our population is far greater, in my earlier post I highlighted the costs associated with the new Alzhiemers drug, but manpower across the board is short. Starmer can have the best outlook on the planet further NHS, but he can't create nurses, doctors or care workers. It is my understanding that manpower shortages is a global crisis.

    Sunak's new proposal on pointless University degree courses, could push the new nurses qualification and dump the David Beckham studies one. Not everyone is suitable for a degree, not everyone's aspirations are to one day be ward managers, like not that many cops want to be Inspectors or above. Accountancy has the AAT qualification as another example, but even if we could find 50k nurses in the next 6months, where are they going to live? Are there foreign obtained qualification up to standard?

    Fred is correct the number of patients leaves our service wanting as more and more demands are placed upon it.

    The reform needed imho requires FULL cross party cooperation where the responsibilities and the distribution of its funds and resources are laid out, something where no individual party can interfere without cross party concensus, pipe dream?

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then plead temporary insanitary 😂. :saint:

  • I agree with your last line, yes we need cross party membership to deal the NHS I am fed up with it being used for point scooring against their political opponents, personally they should have a look at the health systems in place across Europe, how other countries fund it and run their systems.

  • I agree with your last line, yes we need cross party membership to deal the NHS I am fed up with it being used for point scooring against their political opponents, personally they should have a look at the health systems in place across Europe, how other countries fund it and run their systems.

    Yes, a Royal Commission is what’s required, to report on how the NHS can operate more efficiently overall, the best system to offer the population given finite resources, and the optimum use of the private sector.

    All basic services should be free at the point of delivery, provided that there is a genuine medical need for the procedure.

    They could review dental care while they’re at it.

  • I think the possibility of a cross party is very slim, when Boris was made PM one of the first things he said to Parliament was the care for the elderly needed to be changed , people who had worked hard all their lives and saved money , and bought their own homes had to pay for care and wanted a cross party debate on it.

    The silence from the opposition was deafening

  • I have said it before, if we euthanized people at a given age (early 70s ish) the problem would be solved. the over 70s use 90% of our resources. With the money saved people could retire earlier, plan their money, and the chances of them experiencing long term illnesses is reduced significantly. All our problems could be solved if we approached the issue logically, rather than emotively. Of course, this will never happen, but of course the problem we have will never go away

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  • Well he kept to that promise and killed most of them during COVID :whistling:

    Well he kept to that promise and killed most of them during COVID :whistling:

    Sheer nonsense nobody knew anything about Covid back then, it killed people of all ages even without the arrival of Covid seasonal Flu kills many the vulnerable and elderly every year , hence the seasonal vaccinations.

    What he wanted to put in place was a system that did not mean that the elderly who had worked and saved bought their own homes had to pay if they needed it for Care either in their own homes or nursing homes even had to sell sell their homes , whilst those who had not or could not work got help for free paid for by the taxpayers .

  • I think the possibility of a cross party is very slim, when Boris was made PM one of the first things he said to Parliament was the care for the elderly needed to be changed , people who had worked hard all their lives and saved money , and bought their own homes had to pay for care and wanted a cross party debate on it.

    The silence from the opposition was deafening

    Johnson had a huge majority he didn’t need support from other parties yet nothing happened

    More pie in the sky politics from Johnson

  • Fred,

    Your correct it was a brave statement to make, but also one that you would expect from a socialist.

    So if I have a house worth £500k and have to sell it to fund my social care, I'd expect a far better quality home for my money than someone who contributed sweet FA.

    They bleated like spring lambs over Rishi's NI contributions rise, now they want to scrap non dons to help fund the NHS, where the available funds will be half of what was available, sensible my arse non dom money you'd think was the golden fleece.

    TR

    Cross party ensures that good policies don't get scrapped because there's a new emperor in the house. Starmer hasn't got a clue, he has no new policies and is no match for Rishi as PM or Reeves as Chancellor. You constantly dismiss the fact that covid destroyed any real hope for Johnson as it ate the money like a black hole.

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then plead temporary insanitary 😂. :saint:

  • Cross party ensures that good policies don't get scrapped because there's a new emperor in the house. Starmer hasn't got a clue, he has no new policies and is no match for Rishi as PM or Reeves as Chancellor. You constantly dismiss the fact that covid destroyed any real hope for Johnson as it ate the money like a black hole.

    No I’m not dismissing Covid, but those blaming Labour for Johnson’s failed policy are

  • No I’m not dismissing Covid, but those blaming Labour for Johnson’s failed policy are

    The mistakes Johnson made were endorsed by Labour. Johnson had lock downs and a very generous furlough scheme, Labour wanted more lock downs and a more generous scheme. Johnson's stance on immigration has been far too liberal, Labour want to make it even easier for immigrants to enter the country. As hopeless as our government is, and it really is, Labour would be even worse.

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  • Johnson had a huge majority he didn’t need support from other parties yet nothing happened

    More pie in the sky politics from Johnson

    He wanted everyone to both sides of the house to come together to work on a way to deliver Care to the elderly as it is a growing problem as we are living longer, it went on the back burner because of Covid, now Boris is gone its probably been kicked into the long grass.

    The majority of Care Homes are now privately on average £1500 a week some much more, most local Councils closed theirs down years ago, if you have nothing the fees are paid by the Local Council, if you have assets you pay , if you run out of funds and own your own home you have to sell it, and keep paying until you only have £23,000 left

  • He wanted everyone to both sides of the house to come together to work on a way to deliver Care to the elderly as it is a growing problem as we are living longer, it went on the back burner because of Covid, now Boris is gone its probably been kicked into the long grass.

    The majority of Care Homes are now privately on average £1500 a week some much more, most local Councils closed theirs down years ago, if you have nothing the fees are paid by the Local Council, if you have assets you pay , if you run out of funds and own your own home you have to sell it, and keep paying until you only have £23,000 left

    I am certainly not arguing against the need for reform, until recently both my parents were in a care home but words are easy for a politician, delivery is what counts.

    If the idea has been dropped blame Sunak he’s in charge, not Labour

  • He wanted everyone to both sides of the house to come together to work on a way to deliver Care to the elderly as it is a growing problem as we are living longer, it went on the back burner because of Covid, now Boris is gone its probably been kicked into the long grass.

    The majority of Care Homes are now privately on average £1500 a week some much more, most local Councils closed theirs down years ago, if you have nothing the fees are paid by the Local Council, if you have assets you pay , if you run out of funds and own your own home you have to sell it, and keep paying until you only have £23,000 left

    I don't think it's that much Fred. My mother died 6 years ago in one, and hers was £520 a week, Things may have gone up, but not by that much

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  • I don't think it's that much Fred. My mother died 6 years ago in one, and hers was £520 a week, Things may have gone up, but not by that much

    My Mother has been in a Nursing Home since early 2020 the cost is £1475 per week , it is nice comfortable safe and well looked after some are much more expensive

  • My Mother has been in a Nursing Home since early 2020 the cost is £1475 per week , it is nice comfortable safe and well looked after some are much more expensive

    You must live in a very posh area. My mother was in a small care home in Newark. It was far from luxury, and she didn't have an en suit, but she was cared for very well. Like I said, at the point of her death back in December 2016 she was paying £520 a week, but if her fees were being paid by the council it would have been a lot less.

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  • My Mother lives in a small former Cotton Mill Town in the Pennines, what prices may have been back in 2016 is not relevant today everything has gone up in price , as I stated if you don't have assets cash in the bank or own your home, the Local Council pays the bills, if you do have assets you pay

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