What is the point of the police?

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  • When I first joined Surrey police, my first station was semi rural. You couldn't respond to much without a car.

    The forces driving policy was that they had 5 driving grades. Class 5 was to enable the likes if me at that time, to take a marked police car in order to complete enquiries or to take a report, for example of a crime reportedly that happened overnight, but not to travel on blues and two's or to carry out moving vehicle stops.

    Class 4 was also referred to as the standard driving qualification, this enabled those things absent above, but was not a pursuit qualification, speed limits could be broken but red lights must be treat as a give way, keep left bollards ignored etc.

    Class 3 all the above but with pursuits all using vehicles up to 2.0ltr.

    Class 2 and 1 were traffic advanced qualifications.

    PCSO's came in after my time, less use than a special constable who at least had a warrant card and the required arrest powers,

    This PCSO seen sitting in a car is subject to all this crap, but no means of defending himself, no baton, no cuffs, no CS spray. As such they are incredibly vulnerable and anyone who has studied first aid or control and restraint, which I doubt they are taught, knows that by becoming a casualty you help no one. Where this officer was wrong is that his job should have been to get into a position to observe and report.

    Ending up dead or seriously injured may appease some who think they are useless, but actually serves no purpose. I will refrain from calling them as having never worked with one I am not in a position to comment. I have taken out cadets, similar but younger generally, most of whom would get stuck in if you were having problems.

    So please don't be so disingenuous, clearly someone somewhere thinks they are an asset.

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then plead temporary insanitary 😂. :saint:

  • Last few nights I have watched a mini set of documentary from C4 I believe entitled TO CATCH A COPPER.

    The female Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset invited cameras to follow her complaints and discipline section.

    There were 3 programmes, all worth watching, all thought provoking and even irritating. I was shocked if I'm honest by the way things are portrayed in some areas, officers stupidity in others and the amount of race issues now present in day to day policing.

    The last programme I watched revolved predominantly around two incidents,one of which was extensively posted on SM. I was seriously taken back by community leaders who seemed unable to see beyond the officers skin colour. They also seemed to come across as expecting that they should be treat differently because of their skin colour. But in one of these incidents a female who pava sprayed another female, having been completely and totally exonerated was then expected to go through what they called " reflective practice". That RP I can understand if an officers behaviour was deemed to fall short, or be say too abrasive or similar. But this girl had none of that and I found it quite demeaning. The credits at the end of that programme shocked me even more, but I won't elaborate there in case anyone feels inclined to watch was very thought provoking.

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then plead temporary insanitary 😂. :saint:

  • Last few nights I have watched a mini set of documentary from C4 I believe entitled TO CATCH A COPPER.

    The female Chief Constable of Avon and Somerset invited cameras to follow her complaints and discipline section.

    There were 3 programmes, all worth watching, all thought provoking and even irritating. I was shocked if I'm honest by the way things are portrayed in some areas, officers stupidity in others and the amount of race issues now present in day to day policing.

    The last programme I watched revolved predominantly around two incidents,one of which was extensively posted on SM. I was seriously taken back by community leaders who seemed unable to see beyond the officers skin colour. They also seemed to come across as expecting that they should be treat differently because of their skin colour. But in one of these incidents a female who pava sprayed another female, having been completely and totally exonerated was then expected to go through what they called " reflective practice". That RP I can understand if an officers behaviour was deemed to fall short, or be say too abrasive or similar. But this girl had none of that and I found it quite demeaning. The credits at the end of that programme shocked me even more, but I won't elaborate there in case anyone feels inclined to watch was very thought provoking.

    To try and get a 360 view of the programme I just read the Daily Mail and Guardian reviews of it. Both say the police conduct and investigations were poor but I suggest convey a different issue: we recruit too many police officers unable to cope with a virtually impossible job and we do that because our police budgets are woefully inadequate to deliver the police service we need.

    And of course that we are not addressing why so so many of the public are having mental episodes and the inadequate provision of mental health services to deal with that. We just ignore the root causes and dump the end problem on our overloaded police. Not a stable nor fair position. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…documetary.html and https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2…fe-line-of-duty

    Currently ignoring Echo 10

  • To try and get a 360 view of the programme I just read the Daily Mail and Guardian reviews of it. Both say the police conduct and investigations were poor but I suggest convey a different issue: we recruit too many police officers unable to cope with a virtually impossible job and we do that because our police budgets are woefully inadequate to deliver the police service we need.

    The best way to get a takeaway on the programmes are to watch them. Some of it was about race, MH, swearing, excessive or illegal force and notwithstanding public opinion/perception.

    Ironically in the first episode a serial suicide attempted, it was only late in the episode that one senior officer/investigator iirc said he believed our cops can suffer from compassion fatigue. In essence going from incident to incident., MH, assaults and domestic issues can leave officers running on empty where compassion is concerned. Even though acknowledged it changes nothing. I found that in the NHS, especially where mental health is concerned.

    The last episode watched last night, made me so glad I am no longer a cop, or was ever a cop in the city. Generally city policing is more IN YOUR FACE as for those poor sods it really is a conveyor belt.

    As for the investigations, not poor, biased and not in the officers favour. It wasn't until last night's 3rd episode that I saw them side with the officers, but that couldn't be said for chief inspector or above. Policing is a young man's game nowadays, young men are generally fitter and stronger due to their desire to impress and the associated gym work. Even a woman can be difficult to hold properly because they know you can't hit them. I didn't get the impression that the bodycam made any difference. But never mind my take, watch it and tell me what you think, it is eye opening.

    Do unto others as they would do unto you, then plead temporary insanitary 😂. :saint:

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