UFOs: Irrelevant, Or, Are They A Real Threat?

  • This is not a "I want to sleep with a alien thread," :), but a serious discussion on UFOs and the implications, if they're real, on humanity.


    There are unidentified things in the sky, in the seas, with capabilities far beyond our own. Perhaps they are military, or perhaps not, but these things seem to come and go as they wish.


    Are they a threat?

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  • The what are they, seems to be THE question.


    I've seen two of them.


    One, when I worked in a skyscraper in London about 15 years ago.


    I had a large corner desk by a window and when I glanced outside one time, there was a small metallic ball about the size of a football about a metre from the window. It was moving slowly, not blowing in the wind, but moving deliberately.


    I followed it all the way to the end of my floor where I ran out of windows to look through as there were no windows at the end, so I could not see what happened to it.


    The second time was five years ago, on Christmas Day of all days. It was 6 in the evening and I was with a family member taking a "breather" from festivities and we were getting some air in the garden. Suddenly, we became aware of three lights above a neighbouring house over the back of us. The lights were moving around very slowly in a circle and we could just make out, just, a faint outline. It was a black triangle.... It was moving around in a circle and tilting. I went to get a camera and when I came back it was gone.


    Would the military really be testing something over one of my neighbours' houses...?


    BUT, on my original sighting, it was a regular event for the RAF to fly close to and around our building usually with three Chinook helicopters to test the pilot's skills in a urban setting. So, that ball might have been a probe of some sort they were testing. Very advanced, if it was them!

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  • Our only real threat at the moment is the evil that men do to one another. Once any self respecting alien becomes aware of this I am sure they will leave at warp speed before we get of hold of them. 8)

  • Probably should create a new thread (or, how about hundreds of forums!:)) on conspiracy theories, UFOs etc, but I found this one interesting:




    Lots of interest from world leaders, the Vatican, business people in Antarctica at the moment:

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  • They terrorised me into silence. They threatened me with probes and they told me all my relatives would be frozen solid and stored in Antarctica if I ever told anyone. So ...

  • Conspiracy theories are starting to get dull. We had a hilarious conspiracy theory on an old forum. This chap genuinely believed that nuclear weapons (as well as satellites, the ISS and of course the moon landings) were a hoax. Great fun.


    These days people are running out of ideas but strangely more and more people are falling for baseless nonsense. It seems to match the decline in religious belief, as if some need must be fulfilled without worrying about any substance.

  • I am sure I said when I first started this forum, that I've seen two UFO's. One was over my neighbour's house, a great big black triangle with lights on each corner. I remember it vividly, as it was on Christmas day.


    The other one was when I worked in a skyscraper at London Bridge. It was a small silver metal ball.


    So, the bulk of conspiracy theories may be rubbish, but I've seen what I've seen and stood on the outskirts of area 51 and can well believe what kind of things may happen there. That place is in the middle of nowhere for very secret stuff. Whether it's the aliens controlling it all, who knows, but I am very into this stuff.


    Now, I know that you're "keen" Hoxton, I'll post a lot more!:P

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  • Clever. Until they land, I doubt there will be anything in the real science sphere, although on matters like UFOs and what might power them, people like Tesla published lots of real science.

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  • Yep. Watching Saturn's and Jupiter's moons with interest, although I'm not expecting spaceships there, but perhaps some bacteria.

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  • Conspiracy theories are starting to get dull. We had a hilarious conspiracy theory on an old forum. This chap genuinely believed that nuclear weapons (as well as satellites, the ISS and of course the moon landings) were a hoax. Great fun.


    These days people are running out of ideas but strangely more and more people are falling for baseless nonsense. It seems to match the decline in religious belief, as if some need must be fulfilled without worrying about any substance.

    Today I saw at the bottom of a news site a link to the Hollow Earth theory.:rolleyes: Full of Aryans, twelve lost tribes of Israel, its own sun, secret entrances and there is even a sighting of Hitler now and then. Ah, so that's where he went after the war.

  • Don't forget all the aliens underground us LW.:)


    I must post some David Icke stuff here over the holiday season to wind everyone up!8o

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  • Yep. Watching Saturn's and Jupiter's moons with interest, although I'm not expecting spaceships there, but perhaps some bacteria.

    Yes but even with intelligent life we will see evidence of it before we physically meet Mr and Mrs Alien. Assuming they aren't hiding themselves that is, but if they are hiding themselves (which is perfectly plausible) no one will be aware of them at all.


    The only explanation that fits the complete lack of hard evidence but myriad of obscure sightings of vastly different objects is that highly technically advanced but somewhat bored aliens are using the Earth as an amusement park by toying with the natives...! Or are we part of some bizarre alien reality TV show?

  • Yes but even with intelligent life we will see evidence of it before we physically meet Mr and Mrs Alien. Assuming they aren't hiding themselves that is, but if they are hiding themselves (which is perfectly plausible) no one will be aware of them at all.


    The only explanation that fits the complete lack of hard evidence but myriad of obscure sightings of vastly different objects is that highly technically advanced but somewhat bored aliens are using the Earth as an amusement park by toying with the natives...! Or are we part of some bizarre alien reality TV show?

    In my years on Alpha Centauri, before they sent me to Earth to be miserable and alone, we used to laugh at the funny little planet in the corner of the universe that was full of weird creatures and delicious fruits.


    How little we knew! How brazen was our hasty humour!


    Of course, I had to go and volunteer for a trip. The bastards left me behind on purpose, with two prophets and a books of jokes. They thought I might teach someone something.


    I think they have forgotten to come back and fetch me.

  • Or are we part of some bizarre alien reality TV show?

    That is one of David Icke's latest theries is that we are in a Matrix. He's not kidding when he says it either!

    The only explanation that fits the complete lack of hard evidence

    If you when you say hard, you mean something you can tough, I grant you there, that there are issues on that front. But look at all the various clips that have come from the Apollo or Shuttle programmes, that have showed UFOs caught on their cameras. Or, more recently from the International Space Space, tons of stuff.


    Now, I will definitely create a UFO thread now.:)

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  • I've never seen one or any evidence of one so it's not possible for me to judge if they are a threat or not.


    There seems to be a variety of sightings of hugely different objects which seems odd unless we are getting numerous visits from many different alien worlds perhaps just briefly passing through our reality stream without necessarily realising it.


    A very advanced life form would be aware of our type of life, we already comprehend all sorts of types of life ourselves even at our stage of civilisation. Seems hard to believe that aliens would have forgotten their own development or not be able to recognise life when they see it elsewhere. So an interested alien life form would either sit back and quietly observe without interfering, or attempt some kind of contact. Something else must be going on, any other ideas?


    I've already put forward the bored aliens on a wind up idea, which might be a minor piss take but look at where our own leisure and entertainment pursuits get us and perhaps it's not so daft after all...

  • I am going to stand out in the garden this summer with my thumb in the air during full moon in the hope that whoever dumped me here will see me and remember to pick me up. It really is beyond a joke. And I've run out of cosmic star cookies.

  • There seems to be a variety of sightings of hugely different objects which seems odd unless we are getting numerous visits from many different alien worlds perhaps just briefly passing through our reality stream without necessarily realising it.

    Could be accidental visits as you say, a bit of a pit stop at a service station on the way to elsewhere.

    A very advanced life form would be aware of our type of life, we already comprehend all sorts of types of life ourselves even at our stage of civilisation. Seems hard to believe that aliens would have forgotten their own development or not be able to recognise life when they see it elsewhere. So an interested alien life form would either sit back and quietly observe without interfering, or attempt some kind of contact. Something else must be going on, any other ideas?

    Some believe the crop circles, not the ones done by the old men, are a form of communication.


    Flying in mass over major cities, like London, could be another form of communication. Basically, they're saying we're here.


    As I said in my OP, the encounter with the silver ball, could've been a very advanced military probe. But would they test such a thing in broad daylight and right outside my office? The black triangle over my neighbours house, I do not believe was military for one second. I do not know what it was.

    I've already put forward the bored aliens on a wind up idea, which might be a minor piss take but look at where our own leisure and entertainment pursuits get us and perhaps it's not so daft after all...

    Could well be, whose to say they've got to get their kicks somewhere.


    I don't know if these things are alien or not, but there are lots of them seen all around the world.


    In the 80's, the soviets ordered every single military and KGB officer to watch the skies and report any UFOs. Once the Berlin Wall came down, the information on this flooded out of the ex-Soviet Union. Suffice to say, there were many reports.


    NASA astronauts say they have seem them. Many pilots have reported them which can cost them their jobs. Police officers and military have reported them. It's a world wide phenomenon.


    And I don't want to take the thread into conspiracy theories too much, but there has been tons of activity in Antarctica. Look up proper newspaper articles on this.


    The Pope met with his Russian counterpart, the first time the leaders of the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church have ever met and they both visited Antarctica. Businessmen and various politicians have been down there over the last few years, stopping at Christchurch in New Zealand first.


    I'm not saying for definite that we're being visited by little green (or grey) men, but odd things are happening.

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  • If they wanted to communicate they would have done it effectively by now so that doesn't stand up for me.


    Also any cover up would need to be on a monumental scale involving pretty much every governmental or scientific organisation on the planet. In the good old days of the moon landing hoax it was only the Americans we weren't to believe. These days it involves too many people including many amateur groups too, and what is the point of a cover up anyway? Most people think it is only a matter of time before we meet aliens for real.


    So we're back to the following possibilities that I can think of:

    1. They don't want to interfere for Star Trek style prime directive reasons - certainly plausible but this would only be true if there were extremely few, perhaps one, sightings.
    2. They are friendly and want to communicate. If so they would have done by now.
    3. They are hostile. If so we would know pretty quickly...
    4. We are a playground for bored aliens to wind us up with odd happenings.
    5. These aliens are totally different to us, they are millions of different types and they don't even know we are here.

    1 to 3 must surely be discounted leaving only 4 and 5 as fantastic but at least plausible.


    Of course if you look at each individual sighting you can often find natural explanations but that takes so much time an effort for each one that people rarely bother, which only fuels the alien theories.


    Finally, there's no such thing as a proper newspaper article!

  • If they wanted to communicate they would have done it effectively by now so that doesn't stand up for me.

    You must be aware of the famous radio broadcast in the '40s in America of War of the Worlds. It caused so much panic as Americans thought they were coming under a alien invasion.


    Knowing that official alien contact could cause widespread panic as well as a collapse in existing belief systems, any friendly alien civilisation as well as any government, would think very carefully about disclosing the existence of intelligent alien life. The main conspiracy theory is of course that the aliens have contacted us, but only at government level, leaving aside all the stuff about abductions.


    I'm going to have to move this thread into the chat area, as it will quickly go off the subject of defence.:)

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  • Alien contact wouldn't cause widespread panic these days, aren't most people expecting it? In the 40s we hadn't even left Earth's atmosphere - now we've discovered loads of potentially habitable alien worlds in the tiniest region of space we've looked at. I'm sure it can be managed too e.g. start with announcing detection of an electromagnetic signal and work your way up from there.


    I don't think it will affect belief systems either. They've survived all sorts of direct contradictions to their good books such as evolution and the big bang, that they will most likely ride this storm too.

  • Again, getting into conspiracy theries here, but this is what Hollywood has supposedly been doing for the last 60+ years, getting into the mindset of people via various films and tv shows, the concept of aliens.

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  • Also any cover up would need to be on a monumental scale involving pretty much every governmental or scientific organisation on the planet. In the good old days of the moon landing hoax it was only the Americans we weren't to believe. These days it involves too many people including many amateur groups too, and what is the point of a cover up anyway? Most people think it is only a matter of time before we meet aliens for real.

    There are loads of people who have come forward and said they have had contact with UFOs. As an engineer yourself, what if a fellow engineer said he had contact with UFOs, would you believe him? In addition, what if that engineer was working for the military on nuclear missile programmes. Either he's nuts, lying, or telling the truth.


    It's all there on the net.

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