Should The Licence Fee Be Scrapped? Should the BBC?

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  • I have a rule, always follow the money. If Rupert Murdoch thinks that he can't compete anymore, what does our broadcasters have to compete against the likes of Netflix? EastEnders and celebrity chefs...:rolleyes:


    I wanted to listen to some "quality" Brexit analysis as I missed May's Brexit speech in the Commons yesterday, so I listened to the BBC Brexit podcast on Radio 5 last night at 6.15. What a load rubbish. Giggling and eating crisps and moaning how they can't get free booze when attending the EU summits anymore is all I heard.:thumbdown:


    I think the BBC may have had its day, but I'm nervous about getting rid of it completely.


    Hasn't that story about all the high salaries disappeared quickly? Chris Evans is still paid his millions, news presenters are still paid hundreds of thousands of pounds to read from a autocue. What a joke.


    Talking of "jokes" I am astonished the BBC got away with the Saville affair, considering a lot of the child abuse happened on BBC premises. I'm more astonished at the BBC's reaction to it all, by responding that the BBC "must do better." Not a single word about how they would protect child actors, or other kids on BBC premises, it was all about themselves.


    I would be nervous about not paying for the licence fee anymore, but it would be nice if there were more flexible options, like pay to get access to BBC News and have options whether to subscribe to cbeebies or not. It would be not in my household.

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  • I'm happy to pay for anything I use and since I watch BBC then I am happy to pay for it, also like I said I like the fact they don't show adverts, where people may have the choice to pay for Sky and feel happier in that context my biggest problem with Sky is you pay for it and yet they still show adverts.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Yes and even Netflix might start going down that route too. They're doing trailers, so it's only a step away from ads.

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  • Do you pay for the licence fee or have you stopped it?

    We haven't paid the BBC tax for the last 10+ years, since about the only BBC service we use is R4. I also find overall that we're watching less and less of broadcast stuff from any source and more on demand, DVD or downloads.


    I do believe certain things like the shipping forcast should be publically financed but not "me too" channels that duplicate whats's already out there

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  • I'm happy to pay for anything I use and since I watch BBC then I am happy to pay for it, also like I said I like the fact they don't show adverts, where people may have the choice to pay for Sky and feel happier in that context my biggest problem with Sky is you pay for it and yet they still show adverts.

    Then presumably, you would be happy to pay a direct subscription to the BBC whenever /if you wish to watch one of their programmes......just like people who watch Sky premium channels do.

  • Then presumably, you would be happy to pay a direct subscription to the BBC whenever /if you wish to watch one of their programmes......just like people who watch Sky premium channels do.

    Well if the BBC went that way then yes I would be willing to pay as I am willing to pay for Amazon Prime for the service they provide, the one precursor I have with paying for any service like that is that they do not show adverts for random crap I have no interest in buying.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Do you pay for the licence fee or have you stopped it?

    I've looked it up and today is the tenth anniversary of our decision to not pay the BBC tax.8)


    That's around 400 pints of Stella saved. ^^

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  • We have a TV licence, but it's my husband who is the TV addict. I would happily do without it.

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  • I would prefer to do without it too Fidget, but I see no way around it.


    Although I watch very little live tv, I do watch some, although most of that isn't on the BBC. Not that it matters as you need the licence whether you watch/record the BBC or not, including online services. It's expensive just to watch a bit of BBC News, BBC Parliament and a few shows like Strictly, but that's the system.:thumbdown:

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  • BBC Licence fee set to rise by £4 in April

    The television licence fee is going up from £150.50 to £154.50 on 1 April 2019, the government has announced.

    The annual price rise is in line with inflation.

    Anyone watching or recording TV programmes as they are shown on TV, or watching or downloading BBC programmes on the iPlayer, must have a licence. This also applies to laptops, tablets and phones.

    Another year and another licence fee price rise...:thumbdown:


    It's about time that people are given the choice whether they wish to pay for this service or not.

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  • I watch quite a bit of BBC TV so don't mind paying for a TV licence, maybe they could make it a subscription only service giving people the choice whether they pay for it or not, quite how that would work over terrestrial TV they would need to scramble the signal and that would probably mean viewers having to buy/be provided with extra equipment for some type of viewing card or whatever.

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  • quite how that would work over terrestrial TV they would need to scramble the signal

    Doesn't that already happen with the porn channels on Freeview?

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  • Doesn't that already happen with the porn channels on Freeview?

    I'll have to take your word for that. ;);)


    I know on my Smart TV that there are some channels that are also data services which you probably need some kind of subscription for and my TV also has a com slot which I believe a card reader for subscription services can be fitted too, but I haven't really looked into it beyond that.

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  • I'll have to take your word for that.

    I get my porn other ways. ^^


    Both of the TVs I have feature viewing card slots in the rear for those sorts of channels.


    I mentioned it because the EPG on freeview does show porn channels which I assume are encrypted. That being so then the BBC channels could also be encrypted to be subscription only.

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  • From what I have seen posted on different forums by various people is them moaning about they dont want to pay for TV licence as what the BBC show is crap but then saying they watch stuff on BBC iPlayer, and when I have pulled them up on it by saying why would you want to watch stuff on BBC iPlayer if you think the stuff the BBC show is crap, the response to that is either get very abusive or go very quiet. :D

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  • When/if the BBC/ITV/CH4 launch their new combined streaming service, I expect that to be a pay service. At some point afterwards, pressure might be put on the BBC to go private, but as long as they've given billions in handouts every year, they'll fight to the bitter end.


    On the question of how a subscription BBC would work, that would be the same as any other service now. Tech has moved on and viewing cards are not needed, as a combination of better chips in stbs and tvs along with software, negates the need for viering cards now. But, that's only for modern devices, older tvs could never receive a subscription BBC service without an additional stb, dongle, or some other device.

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  • If the BBC had porn I’m sure they’d make up any short fall.



    I like the bbc because it’s advert free, everything I watch is recorded so I can skip through the adverts

  • I watch quite a bit of BBC TV so don't mind paying for a TV licence, maybe they could make it a subscription only service giving people the choice whether they pay for it or not, quite how that would work over terrestrial TV they would need to scramble the signal and that would probably mean viewers having to buy/be provided with extra equipment for some type of viewing card or whatever.

    In all seriousness, WTF do you watch? , I struggle to find anything on the BBC, infact the only show I watch is death in paradise.

  • There is plenty I find to watch most probably stuff you have no interest in so I'll leave it at that, I do however watch Death in Paradise.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Until this week I always thought the BBC was worth the licence fee but watch today's Marr show and the appalling interview that Andrew Marr attempted to do on Nigel Farage , it was the most embarrassingly biased interview I have ever seen on TV . The BBC needs a massive enema.

  • I think Farage got his point across, and made Marr look pretty foolish and petty.


    The hatchet job failed. :)

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  • Until this week I always thought the BBC was worth the licence fee but watch today's Marr show and the appalling interview that Andrew Marr attempted to do on Nigel Farage , it was the most embarrassingly biased interview I have ever seen on TV . The BBC needs a massive enema.

    I've not had time to watch this yet and probably won't get time, but my problem with the BBC is not individual programmes, but the whole left wing/liberal/elite metropolitan bias that pervades their entire output.


    I know that generally most media outlets are lefty, but unlike most media outlets there is no compulsory tax that we have to pay to watch them.

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  • I've not had time to watch this yet and probably won't get time, but my problem with the BBC is not individual programmes, but the whole left wing/liberal/elite metropolitan bias that pervades their entire output.


    I know that generally most media outlets are lefty, but unlike most media outlets there is no compulsory tax that we have to pay to watch them.

    It is on YouTube also , watch and enjoy Mr Marr making an arsehole of himself.

  • Well, yes and no to that.


    Marr was quoting him from the past and Farage's story seems to have changed about "The Deal" and the NHS, but Farage just wanted to stick to his democracy line.

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  • Well, yes and no to that.


    Marr was quoting him from the past and Farage's story seems to have changed about "The Deal" and the NHS, but Farage just wanted to stick to his democracy line.

    Except it has'nt , all Mr Farage ever said was we leave and get a free trade deal , tusk and co told him they were keen to do it , he said that in 2016, this abberation from May is what you get with Remainers in all key posts!

  • Ah, but, we are not allowed to talk about 'real' democracy these days. Democracy, according to the Remainers, means you must vote several times for the same thing, only for it to be spurned time and time again. That is, until you give the 'right' answer.


    That's if we are lucky enough to be given a vote in the first place. Maybe we'll have to wait another 40 years while they shove the UK further down the pan into federalisation.

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  • I think Farage got his point across, and made Marr look pretty foolish and petty.


    The hatchet job failed. :)

    Couldn't agree more


    Do you think the Hatchet Job was Marr's idea or his BBC bosses or are they both cut from the cloth?


    Did you notice Farage's reference to a 2nd referendum being as likely to be ignored or debated to oblivion as the 1st referendum? No one (but me!) has said that before.


    And no has said that leaving without a deal has the advantage of not being paralysed for 6-10 years whilst negotiating a trade and political and economical relationship with the EU. How many of those wanting a second referendum realise that there's still another 6-10 years of this nightmare if we try and leave with a deal. Canada was content to could f-ck about with the EU for a few years because the extra exports to the EU were always going to be incremental.

  • I'm happy to pay for anything I use and since I watch BBC then I am happy to pay for it, also like I said I like the fact they don't show adverts, where people may have the choice to pay for Sky and feel happier in that context my biggest problem with Sky is you pay for it and yet they still show adverts.

    I agree, I'm also happy to pay for anything I use. The problem is we are forced to pay for the BBC whether we use it or not. I used to defend the BBC and the licence fee, but not now. In recent years the BBC have shown themselves to be very minority appeasing and politically correct, impervious to complaint and above all, anti Brexit. If there's bad news the BBC will say it's because of Brexit, if there's good news the BBC say it's 'in spite' of Brexit. As for diversity, the BBC have openly advertised for people from the black and minority ethnic community, in other words white English people who make up the vast majority of this country need not apply, but they can continue to pay for the BBC. Can you imagine what would happen if an employer advertised for white English people only?..

  • They're actually breaking the law, but they will get away with it regardless.


    As it stands today, my problem with the BBC is the bias, the quality and lack of variety of programmes and of course the forced nature of the licence fee. They should become a subscription service and then everyone has a choice whether to pay for them or not.

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