Should The Licence Fee Be Scrapped? Should the BBC?

  • TV licences: Up to 3.7 million over-75s to pay licence fee

    Up to 3.7 million pensioners who previously received a free TV licence will now have to pay for it.

    The BBC will scrap blanket free licences for over-75s, but those households with one person who receives pension credit will still be eligible.

    I don't disagree with this move in principle, as there are wealthy pensioners out there and the money would be better spent elsewhere, but not all "poorer" tensioners receive pension credit.


    Should this benefit be scrapped?

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  • I don't disagree with this move in principle, as there are wealthy pensioners out there and the money would be better spent elsewhere, but not all "poorer" tensioners receive pension credit.


    Should this benefit be scrapped?

    Better still , scrap the Biased Broadcasting corporation , the thing is , the BBC bosses know their bias isn't aimed towards the political views of most wealthy pensioners anyway , so they don't care less.

  • I won't scrap the licence fee first and go for a subscription model, which would probably have the same effect, Nigel.

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  • The BBC are probably short of funds, due to lots of people refusing to pay for a licence. Naturally, they won't query why this is happening.

  • The BBC are probably short of funds, due to lots of people refusing to pay for a licence. Naturally, they won't query why this is happening.

    Greg Dyke was on LBC this morning and it was pointed out how the managers had awarded themselves up to 30% pay rises recently and now have over 150 pen pushers earning more than the PM does.

  • Disgusting. Either they should be a corporation, as their name suggests, or not.


    What happens if all these pensioners who lose the free licence fee decide not to pay? Are they all going to be sent to prison? That would win a lot of votes...

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  • A breath of fresh air compaired to the usual BBC nonsense.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • Ohh, thanks for that link Heero, I'll read it later. Quite a change of attitude from the beeb.

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  • That would be great and the sooner they do it the better even if its just to end the whinging of those that claim not to like anything the BBC shows, but then go onto to say they only watch things on iPlayer anyway. :D

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • That would be great and the sooner they do it the better even if its just to end the whinging of those that claim not to like anything the BBC shows, but then go onto to say they only watch things on iPlayer anyway. :D

    In my view, the existing arrangements are likely to be maintained until the next licence review in 10 years' time. At a designated date after that, the existing channels will be abolished and access to BBC programmes will be via Britbox, for which a subscription will be payable.


    Politically, that will be a difficult move, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with that. They won't want to upset all those elderly people, for whom this change will be incomprehensible.

  • In my view, the existing arrangements are likely to be maintained until the next licence review in 10 years' time. At a designated date after that, the existing channels will be abolished and access to BBC programmes will be via Britbox, for which a subscription will be payable.


    Politically, that will be a difficult move, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with that. They won't want to upset all those elderly people, for whom this change will be incomprehensible.

    We've got the linear channel's thread here old boy (essentially your thread from CF and no jfman.;)) so I won't comment too much about channels here, but I think the main BBC One and Two channels will continue for as long as there is a BBC. And we have another thread for BritBox, but I think it depends on who ultimately owns Britbox. As was said on CF, the BBC only own 10% of Britbox if but if ITV gets taken over, the new owner's might wish to push out the beeb.

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  • A breath of fresh air compaired to the usual BBC nonsense.

    The BBC boss was talking to a parliamentary committee, something even several months ago, I would've had the time to see, but I have a bit of free time now and I'll watch the committee proceedings now and see exactly what he said and post later about it. The Sun article was short on details and I doubt the BBC would ever be happy going subscription, despite what Hall may have said.

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  • In my view, the existing arrangements are likely to be maintained until the next licence review in 10 years' time. At a designated date after that, the existing channels will be abolished and access to BBC programmes will be via Britbox, for which a subscription will be payable.


    Politically, that will be a difficult move, so it will be interesting to see how they deal with that. They won't want to upset all those elderly people, for whom this change will be incomprehensible.

    If the Government becomes an investing shareholder in a licence free Netflix-ish BBC, it can be alongside a deal where offers a freeview-ish package to appease OAP's or even a broader free-view-ish package but which has tv commercials - a valuable advertising target audience for Saga, Stairlifts, cruises, coach holidays, laxatives, denture cleaners, critical health insurance, funerals, Wiltshire Farm Foods and gardening products - the list is endless and the precision focus of the target audience (minimum wastage) will command a high cost per thousand ad rate.

  • But that seems the worst of both worlds, still public money going in and then bloody ads all over the place. I think it has to be "all or nothing." Either the BBC is a public service, or it's a private service.:/

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  • I watched the select committee and the discussion surrounding subscription was only brief and it was related to the discussion about the free licenses for the over 75s. They were basically just talking about alternative ways that people could pay for the BBC.


    I intend to watch again at some point, it was about 3 hours of it.... and there was a Lords committee too on public broadcasting, all on the iplayer for those interested.

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  • BBC gives staff 20% pay hikes – but ‘can’t afford’ free TV licences for pensioners

    BBC staff pocketed a 20 per cent pay rise after bosses claimed they "can't afford" free TV licences for hard-up OAPs, it has been revealed.

    Hundreds of workers at the corporation enjoyed an average rise of £6,980 – costing taxpayers an extra £7.9million.

    I think the BBC are slowly slitting their own wrists here.


    We have news bias, especially over Brexit. We have their diversity agenda being forced on everyone and we have all the ridiculous amounts of money paid to their "talent".


    Perhaps if the BBC believe its talent is worth all this money, it should put that to the test and go subscription. Fat chance in hell, me thinks!

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  • I think the BBC licence should be scrapped. The Remainers and lefties can provide financial support in future, as they are the only people served by the BBC these days. Like the EU, the BBC cannot be reformed. The self serving idiocy goes too deep.

  • I tried to watch Newsnight last night, I just had to switch it off. The BBC isn't even trying to pretend they're impartial when it comes to all things Brexit.

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  • It isn't just Brexit though, there's a lot of bias through omission: A prime example being the Syney knife maniac tackled by bystanders. He was yelling "Allahu akbar" but not a mention of that in the BBC coverage even though it is very germane to the incident.

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  • Only just aware of that story, but that wouldn't be something of major interest to the BBC though, as its too far away. By all accounts that was just one nutter.

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  • Maybe this is coming to a head long before the next charter renewal. If MP's decide that the BBC got the current charter under false pretences they might just tear it up and start again. Parliament is in a Bolshie mood at the moment so all bets are off.

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  • The BBC may also be losing the EU grants shortly. Then again, the EU may pay them even more to continue their EU propaganda. Nobody can be sure of anything these days. Uncertainty reigns in every sphere thanks to our rogue Parliament.

  • I tried to watch Newsnight last night, I just had to switch it off. The BBC isn't even trying to pretend they're impartial when it comes to all things Brexit.

    I watch Newsnight, Question Time and Channel 4 News purely for intellectual sado masochism. The bias is so predictable and unsubtle that a satirical programme (eg Not the 9 Oclock News) would have no scope for sending it up. At least with Fox News the right wing bias is undisguised and there was some virtue to being that way balance against the champagne socialism (and Remaining in the EU) that characterises pretty much all of the media on both sides of the pond.


    I don't mind opinion. My objection is the twisting, invention or ommission of facts to suggest that the opinion is the only fair and right one.


    When you say "bbc isn't even pretending to be impartial" that's because it doesn't need to; the majority of viewers are taken in by the BBC's contrived image of probity (accents, music, clothes, studio decor).

  • I don't want it to go like America with the likes of Fox News and CNN, but perhaps it will, at least if it does, hopefully the BBC will be privatised by then and talking of which:


    TV licences: Call for government and BBC to save free over-75s licences

    The BBC and the government should find a way to save free TV licences for all over-75s, a committee of MPs has said.

    The House of Commons media select committee said the new position, where only those claiming pension credit will be eligible, was an "absurd situation".

    The BBC said it will continue to scrap free TV licences for up to 3.7m people.

    Free licenses aside, Damian Collins the chair of the media committee has said the licence fee is unsustainable in the long term with younger people watching streaming services. I agree.


    So the BBC should make its "impartial" programming while it still can.

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  • Privatise the BBC and let viewers who want to watch it pay for it

    As to so called BBC bias, everybody who's views they don't feel the Beeb expresses scream "bias"

    Political parties in power all jump on the bias bandwagon

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  • Alastair Campbell was always at their throats, so I agree the BBC used to get everybody's backs up, but apart from a few exceptions, the BBC crossed the impartiality line some time ago and have gone made over Brexit.


    I'm not sure if I'm in favour of full privatisation, but perhaps forty percent could be put out to market, leaving the government with a controlling block of shares, at least initially, with a view to perhaps full privatisation later down the line. Something like the 80's privatisations which were done in stages.

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