The problem here is that it's a very contentious subject. So would you prefer a forum where it goes around in circles with the same arguments but with the roles reversed. It's actually very rare for mods to step in here or remove posts. On many places there is a greater amount of manipulation and controlling of what members say and the flow of direction that threads take. Heavy handed moderation never goes down well for any forum.
What I think your after is people with the same viewpoint you can bounce off. Unfortunately there are many members here with the same mindset only they are of the opposite opinion. It's best not to argue with a pack of wolves unless you have backup and because there are so few members here it mostly always is a one sided argument. Your just have to take it a with a pinch of salt and quietly laugh to yourself or just make jokes and not take anything seriously. Your never going to turn anyone's viewpoints. It a sad reflection of society.
This thread is not going anywhere accept around in circles no matter what points anyone makes. Personally I would have quietly removed the whole thread a long time ago. It's politics the one subject along with religion that is always going to cause problems as that's the nature of the subject hence why so many forums ban these topics completely. It's very unhealthy for any forum but unless one has a common interest then what else is there to talk about and then it gets boring unless there are many issues members can help each other out with along with some expertise and /or respect rather than trying to convert.
Sadly this thread is a reflection of our parliamentary system only they have a speaker instead of mods. The biggest difference being they have more or less equally the same number of wolves on each side. Your never going to get any deep intellectual conversations going on here. The intelligence level is just not there. What this forum needs is more members so it would be sad if you leave but thank you for the short spark of hope. It's been good chatting and having some intellect around.
Thanks for your kind words. There are forums out there with mixed views and intelligent people. Plus people who are grateful for interesting conversation and like evidence that challenges their views. They don't just dismiss that evidence or make stupid remarks, they challenge and rebut.
I tried to introduce the concept here but to no avail. Good luck and good hunting my friend.