Armitage, I've selected points from your impressive posting #237 to offer a few comments. I'm pretty sure I haven't misrepresented your main thrust but, if so, please tell me in no uncertain terms!
BLM are targeting the destruction of the core pillars of Western Civilised society, not because they want to replace them with something that is better.
What core pillars of Western civilised society are BLM-ers targeting? (I assume BLM-ers are mostly black but with a fair amount of support from simpatico whites). In what way are they trying to topple or r-arrange those pillars?
BLM is not to improve society by ridding it of racism, just to destroy those pillars, our established norms, culture and traditions in an act of revenge for everything that white people have done.
Still, asking, how are they going to do that? And how is revenge going to help do that? Is there an assumption in your mind (or BLM-ers’) that revenge is going to unite blacks and whites? Have you ever thought it might do the complete opposite, in providing a rational justification for the prejudice that comes from stereotyping?
In other words everyone has to suffer (from excessive enforcement) because of the lack of respect for the law of a few mindless idiots and this is the parallel with racism
I assume your parallel here is of a few mindless black haters causing race hate laws to become obsessive, exaggerated and draconian. I think the BLM movement has uncovered a deeper complaint about black prejudice. That it isn’t just operating among a minority of black hating hooligans (where a little of them goes a long way, especially with the help of the media, which has the unintended consequence of legitimising and hence recruiting more of such evil, gullible or retarded black haters into the fold. From much of that hear or read about black prejudice from those blacks on the receiving end, it is more subtle, hence more insidious and hence more soul-destroying than just overt mindless acts of prejudice such as banana throwing. I agree with Bibbles that most black people worth their salt will be encouraged by such uncivilised black prejudice that they can leave the stadium walking and feeling superior to those types of white. The more worrying accusation that can be hurled at the non-hooligan white establishment is their unwillingness or inability or lack of sufficient concern to expose and punish the behaviour of black-hating hooligans. More worrying because that is what makes black prejudice so insidious, as it translates into social, economic and political discomfort, hardship and rejection in a society where the dominant power in numbers or money lies with white citizens.
Most of us are not racist or certainly not in any way that would cause problems in everyday society
Your caveat “or certainly not in any way that would cause problems” is precisely the point I disagree with which I have laboured to explain in my paragraph above. It’s not the antisemitism or ruthless pursuit of an Aaryan by the likes of Hitler, Heydrich, Mendel, et aal that fired up the post-Holocaust sensitivity of Jews but rather the blind eye of German citizens as the Jew-packed trains rumbled their way to Auchswitz, Dachau, Treblinka etc.
We are, the most of us, no more racist that our non-white fellow citizens and neighbours.
Cleverly and carefully phrased that way, maybe you’re right. But I’m pretty sure black people on the receiving end of black prejudice do not feel that these other prejudices are their concern. They have enough to worry about!
Most of us (the overwhelming majority) manage to go to football matches without throwing bananas at the black players ………..vote for black politicians, be treated by black doctors and nurses …… invite them into our homes ……
But there it stops! “Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner?” sets out where the red line falls. And that was with Dr Sidney Poitier in a suit and the white daughter’s parents, Hepburn and Tracy,, as model liberal democrats. Today black people can sit anywhere on a bus but in terms of social acceptance and a level playing field in job application, they are still nearer the back of the bus.
If racism is a cancer it should be surgically removed …..
How do you find it? And how do you remove it? You later say that the next step is that it “needs to be dealt with”. Or as Tommy Cooper used to say after a stupidly inept magic trick “just like that!”. What we need is a lifelong vaccination against black prejudice. Good luck with that. Keir Starmer is happy to kill the roots of antisemitism by being the first Labour bigwig to undergo “Unconscious bias training”. The trouble is that a bias, conscious or unconscious, doesn’t have to be a prejudice. It could just as easily be a viewpoint, belief or instinct that has formed itself without conscious thought or self-analysis. The presumption that the bias is inherently negative, immoral, at odds with current-day social precepts of fairness, goodness and decency, is in itself rather Kafkaesque. It is monumentally stupid as well as downright scary to suggest or demand that someone who disagrees with the sense or intended purpose of the message “Black Lives Matter” should be subjected to analysis of their unconscious biases.
Having queried your recipe, let me end with my own: blacks need to redirect their energy away from feeling depressed or angry about all those years of prejudice and subjugation by whites, and towards trying to find commonality rather promote their black self-identity in a mixed race society. This is especially required in a society predominantly white in numbers and economic power. Granted, blacks are having to climb the ladder from a low base and they will have to duck and weave around the snakes. Assuming they want to escape from their self-made ghetto lifestyle in search of enough common ground with the whites to create mutual respect, it would will help if they don’t dress like pimps, or sport weird haircuts, or turn the car window up or the volume down if they want play rap while driving through quiet neighbourhoods. It would also greatly help all concerned if their procreation could be deliberate rather than an accident, where both parents stay together to raise a decent rather than delinquent family, so that us whiteys have a better chance of walking along a dark uncrowded street without getting mugged or knifed. We in the white society must be prepared to meet blacks halfway, measure for measure, and that certainly has to include the police. Because right now, if I was black, I’d feel safer with robocops.