Harmandsworth has to go. Brexit Britain cannot get stuck in the old school 50 year decision making process. If we do not expand Heathrow it will soon lose its "Hub" status and become a regional airport. The judges need to keep out of this by greenlighting the proposals. I think the judiciary need to see this decision as being of existential importance to themselves. If they step in the way, they are likely to be crushed.
The leadership debates for the US democrats are exposing some bizarre policy proposals. Bernie Sanders want to legalise drug dealers.
That's it, Johnson all bluster and repeating the same stuff he trotted out at the election. Talk but no action
Noticeably the seats beside and behind him were subdued
He doesn't have to personally get his feet wet to help. As we discussed before the left wants him to be there offering support in person, which is the emotional but unproductive approach, alternatively he sends along people that can actually help and also allocates funding which is the pragmatic approach. I know which I would rather have in a crisis.
They talked the talk for the election bit that seems to be it
Blair hit the ground running when he became PM, Johnson seems to think it's ok to bugger off to his country pile
Blair had his hands full trying to stop his cabinet launching a revolution.
Fortunately for him Diana was killed and it turned into the distraction that was required to take the wind out of the comrades sails. Blair wasn't really running the country, his Mrs was.
I never thought I would say this but I am warming to Jeremy Corbyn
Today he landed punch after punch on Johnson exposing him for the blustering buffoon he is, he was like Tyson Fury - the comeback kid
Perhaps Labour should stick with him
Is this what you were referring to Bryan?
Not sure your description lives up to the reality.
I'll let others decide for themselves.
And here them crazy lefties try to bring their cancel culture to the Yorkshire Tea company because the new Chancellor of the Exchequer uses the product.
This video explains why the left lost the UK General Election, it is very worrying that these people walk amongst us. Watch to the end it just keeps getting better.
I thought I’d start a thread to contain a compendium of the ways in which the crazy left are trying to turn the world on its head. As a starter take a look at this video summarising a few choice nuggets of leftist madness. It would be funny if these were not true. Please feel free to post your own examples, the more the merrier, let’s make it a reference thread for warning of the perils of leftism.
It was a lovely word dreamed up years ago on the old BBC Points of View board, it nicely sums up the flock that blindly follow something or someone
I believe it refers to remainers and the sort that the BBC consider to be their audience
It's clear to me, but then I am not brainwashed into believing that anything Johnson says or does is manna from heaven and the EU is the work of the devil
And you are not alone Bryan - we can all think critically.
Boris Johnson has given a clear indication that he plans to ditch the current standards of food hygiene and safety in order to further his chances of getting a trade deal with the USA.
I rather like the fact that, at present, I can put good, safe and hygienic food on the table for my family. I'm grateful that we as a country can afford to be choosy about what we eat.
I was warning, almost from the very first day of the post Brexit vote that we will fall into the hands of the USA with its much lower food standards that have been the reason why washing food in Chlorine Dioxide is necessary. The Chlorine itself isn't lethal (although it's certainly undesirable), it is the fact that using it has encouraged American food producers to flout safety procedures for the sake of increased production.
Example, in UK the maximum amount of time live birds can be transported is 12 hours. In the US its's 28 hours and if maltreating animals in this way isn't repugnant enough, it makes the chickens more susceptible to infection that the Chlorine can't wash away.
University of Southampton produced a report in 2018 that proved chlorine wash was not totally effective in destroying pathogens and worse still, might make some pathogens undetectable.
American food suppliers deny that their methods are ineffective and some even claim that they are more effective than in Europe. But it is a fact that in the USA there are around 37 million cases of foodborne illness every year which is about an 11.4 in 100 chance of getting food poisoning. In Europe the rate is around 1.5 in 100.
Kath Delmeny of the Food and Farming Alliance "Sustain" says that food standards in UK will suffer if trade deals with USA are floated.
In the No Deal arrangement that I believe is Boris Johnson's real aim in negotiations with the EU we will certainly have to pay more for food imported from Europe, this will drive people on low incomes to buy poor quality, chlorine washed and very possibly contaminated food imported from USA. He has staked everything on trading with America since day one.
As much as I would wish nobody to suffer as a result of this, there is a part of me that says people who voted for Brexit deserve all they get, but those who wanted nothing to do with it are going to suffer for one man's vanity project (and one that will probably make him personally a lot richer).
I will pay whatever it costs to make sure I put decent food on the table for my family. We are one family that won't be joining the rush to the stomach pump.
If chicken is cooked properly there isn't a problem, not sure what the fuss is about unless you under cook your food. US food is generally better than you can get in the UK, especially restaurant food. Even their McDonalds are better than ours. And they don't have the sugar Nazis spoiling everything .
However...they also have a lot of incredibly overweight people who are truly enormous, but that is about education rather than the food itself. It's not like the whole USA are morbidly obese, I would say that overall they are fitter and leaner than us, but they have greater extremes - that's the USA for you.
Furthermore, the foodborne illnesses rate you quote is down to how the food is cooked rather than the food itself, if food is handled correctly and cooked properly there isn't a problem. I assume the US food standards you fear are related to the way the food is prepared for sale and not the way it is cooked, because I will not be changing the way I roast a Chicken. So, I still see no real problem.
The problem was that nobody listened, and the women knew that. The problem was endemic in the industry.
What is more, a complaint was highly likely to seriously damage or ruin their career.
Doesn't sound too dissimilar from the antics of Saville.
Perfidious Albion, very apt
The problem is that Brexiteers imagine that alone out of the EU the globe will be painted red again
No we don't. How could we possibly achieve that or want to?
Were you thinking that we should set sail for the Asian sub-continent and start sticking it to the natives again? Maybe deploy a few thousand troops to keep everything quiet whilst the new Governor had Tiffin in his grand house with the ambassador? Perhaps we could just rock up in some Central African Republic and start mining precious metals in return for some rifles? Why not go the whole hog and start renaming some countries or cities in our own memorial, how about Boriswana or Johnsonberg?
Or maybe we just want to be an independent nation that has decided democratically to withdraw from the anti-democratic supra-national state that is the EU.
I know you hold a dim view of Brexiteers but really...
The key matter is how much access will our City get to EU markets. It's financial services which is the backbone of the country and if the EU cut off the City, they will be harming themselves as much as us.
The trade talks start Monday.
Euro trades make up 20% of the Cities activities. The chances of these surviving the trade talks is as a good as zero. Some banks have already moved the relevant departments into the EU to protect their interests, in some cases as much as two years ago. My understanding of the situation is that a lot of the work to mitigate the impact of losing the Euro trades has already been done. London will remain a top financial centre.
Well, the EU know what they can do with all that! What part of 'no' do they not understand?
We might be able to agree on chlorinated chicken, though. The US has already substantially reduced that practice and now use lactic acid instead. But shhh! Don't tell the EU, who really need to keep up!
Incidentally, we need to remember that chlorinated chicken is much safer than EU chicken, which is heavily infected with salmonella.
I have eaten a lot of food in the US, it is one of the finest places in the world for food lovers, one of the key differentiators is the quality of their meat, it is simply superb. I have never for even a second taken any notice of this patent panic-mongering by remainers regarding US food standards. The blind and baseless belief that EU standards are better is simply untrue.
As was just outlined on the BBC2's politics show a minute ago, the clash will be over three main areas:
1. Fish. The EU want the same access to our waters as now. We don't.
2. The level playing field aka dynamic alignment. The EU want us to align with future EU law in several areas including in competition law, state subsides, food safety (no chlorinated chicken) and employment law.
3. European Court of Justice. The EU want their court to be the ultimate arbitrator of any disagreements between the EU and UK where it involves EU law. The UK's position is that the ECJ is not to be involved at all.
Let battle commence!
WTO here we come...
Can you imagine the bean counters at the HO totalling up the applicants points?
These are the people who ask a 100 year old to ask his parents something
Its more likely to be "the computer says no" moment.
Thank you for your kind comments gentlemen. I intended to use this same thread every week, just adding the next week's clippets on to the end and readers simply click on to the last page when they want to read the latest.
Horizon: It would be very helpful if this thread was pinned. Save me having to scroll around to find it when I do the next update. LOL.
I rather like the title so wouldn't want to change it, although I have thought of several alternatives, but they might be a little provocative and I think we should avoid that.
It is no surprise that I write from the rejoiner point of view but rebuttals - in the light hearted vein I alluded to in the OP - are welcome. I think we could all do with a little lightening up of our disagreements.
All contributions welcome
Good debate embraces all points of view. The only problem I think you have is that, once upon a time, you would've been considered edgy with your views, a bit like Ben Elton and his kind were in their heyday of the 1980's. That was when they they were the outsiders hurling abuse via their comedy against the door of the establishment. The problem now is that your views are the mainstream and to a large degree still embody the views of the establishment as it is today. Ben Elton shrank away when his ideas and political satire was no longer the outsiders view, it became the widely held view. You only have to look at the Labour Party, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dems, Greens, Far Right Watch, Greenpeace, Extinction Rebellion and The US Democratic Party to name but a few to realise that there is nothing edgy, original or unconventional about your views. The rare birds all nest here on Forumbox, exiles from other forums no longer welcome elsewhere in many instances because they do not share your point of view, which is the point of view of the mainstream media and wider establishment, including the current UK Civil Service apparently....but not apparently the UK general electorate.
That said, I welcome debate with you safe in the knowledge that you cannot get me cancelled from here (as I long as I behave myself) and you can call me all the names under the sun. I hope you find the debate as refreshing and honest as the rest of us do. You obviously didn't sign up for Forumbox because you wanted the dopamine hit from lots of likes so robust discussion must be your thing.
I do enjoy your posts by the way, anybody who bothers to write as well as you do deserves some respect
Has anybody told the fish that they're British?
All the fish have been issued with new Blue passports and and have Union Jacks tattooed on their gills...
You tell they are British because they attack anything that doesn't look like them, they are all racist, xenophobic and bigoted fish just like everyone who lives here.
Our little isolated island making threats !!!
You've swallowed the Foreign Office delusion that we are still some sort of power
Typical language of a fifth columnist desperate to undermine confidence and esteem by any means. Notice the absence of any recognition of international law that is on our side with regard to territorial waters. Any straying into UK territorial waters is simply breaking the law and will be measurable by modern radar systems. I would imagine the first and second instances of straying into our waters would be met with gentle diplomatic representations but after that probably more direct action. Perhaps the French would prefer to fish our waters from the migrant dinghy's that they seen to turn a blind eye to, they know that everyone on board will be well taken care of.
I think this is a excellent idea.
But why not stick all your comments in one thread and call it something like, Jenny's ironic take on politics this week, or something like that? I could pin that thread and then, so you wouldn't have to hunt around for it.
If you want me to merge your existing threads together, let me know and what name you want to call the thread.
I agree, you can see a lot of effort goes into the post, I look forward to the next
Brother in law came for a visit and because he was nervous of using the ferry he put his car on the Eurostar at Calais. Fine
On the way back he bought a bottle of whisky at the duty free at Folkestone and settled down for the swift journey back to Calais
Sadly there was some sot of incident the Calais end, and the train was stopped for a couple of hours three quarters of the way in. He had pretty well finished the whisky by the time they got going again
Clearly he didn't fancy using the buffet car